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Kula-pavana:Not really. But even if I did, why should I trust them more than I trust myself?
VEDA:'Trusting myself' isn't solipsism.What is it then? To me, it seems like a practical application of solipsism - "In the end, it is my own opinion that matters the most."
VEDA:If the solipsist doesn't jump, he doesn't believe in his solipsism.Why not? As a solipsist, he thinks you're just a figment of his imagination whom he does not necessarily have to obey or take seriously. I don't see how one could make a declared solipsist prove that he actually isn't serious about his solipsism.
VEDA:'Matters the most' is not the same as 'matters only'. One may weigh other opinions as well.Sure. But so what? In the end, it is still up to "oneself", is it not?
Then he won't be able to tell between 'figments' and 'real' wishes. He'll go into an error mode and will need a reboot.Well, some of them may be finely trained yogis, and quite impervious to the effects of birth, aging, illness and death. And good hagglers at that, too.
I guess it was Suhotra Swami who suggested how to distribute books to solipsists - 'It's your own idea to get this book, sir.'Thanks for this! My first good laugh in a long time. 8)
Baker:This has come up in another thread:As it was pointed out earlier, this is not solipsism. But even if it was, trusting yourself more than trusting others is often a step up from the mentality of constant doubt and internal insecurity. Eventually in life we develop a list of things and people we trust. If our name is not on it, we still have a long way to go in our personal development. -------------------- I may not always be right, but I trust my intentions, thought process, reason and logic. Sooner or later I will arrive at the right conclusion. -------- Even your desire to trust someone more than yourself is in fact trusting your own judgement. Still, what counts is the RESULTS. Are you better off trusting yourself rather than trusting someone else. In my case it is hands down YES.
Kula-pavana:Not really. But even if I did, why should I trust them more than I trust myself?
What is your practical, personal refutation of solipsism?
VEDA:Unless we decide to leave the decision upon others.But to leave it up to others is still OUR decision. In that sense, it is inescapable that we "trust ourselves", so it is actually redundant to say "I trust myself (as opposed to trusting others)".
Manu speaks about atmanas tusnih, self-satisfaction, as one of pramanas. I mentioned it here before.Yes, I remember.
In SB 11.7 Krsna speak about jiva as his own guru and introduces the story of avadhuta brahmana who learned from various gurus, living and non living representations of guru tattva.It is very interesting, thank you!
Either they jump or not... 8)The horseman knows nothing of the troubles of the footman, and the footman knows nothing of the troubles of the horseman ...
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