It is not required outside of the area where it is customary. In other words, not.

As local Indians become more prominent on Iskcon temple committees and take up the lead of supporting many Iskcon temples you will see more and more non-core Vaisnava festivals celebrated. It is and will be more common across the world of Iskcon.

It differs from zone to zone Hashama, but where there are a lot of Indians that are actively involved in the temple and on the committee then what you have said tends to be the case. Your question is fine here.

Why is that? Why is it that Western temples no longer have young men and women doing Sankirtana ... chanting and distributing books? Isn't that how the Hare Krishna movement started out? In reading about the history of ISKCON the picture I get is that the main business of devotees (as per the instructions and example of Srila Prabhupada) was to perform Sankirtana and to distribute books and magazines. They put together an incense business, created a mail order service and donations came from supporters as well.So why is it that there aren't young folks living in the temples anymore? Is that just a "Western temples" situation and when you say "Western" does that mean mainly Europe and the U.S.?

I understand that all those who were serving Srila Prabhupada back in the 60's and 70's are certainly no longer young -- but one would think that a sign of success would be for a new wave from the next generation would follow in their footsteps. What happened? I hear so much about how ISKCON is expanding by leaps and bounds but you are saying there aren't enough (young) people living and working in the temples to pay the rent .. maintain the deity worship ... put on the Sunday feasts, etc. ????

Hare krishna bhakta hashama,over the last thirty odd years a stark transformation happened within iskcon.We were basically when i jioned a family....a tight family .My senior siksa guru's were all Prabhupada disciples!We saw each other everyday at breakfast,worked together preaching,cooking,farming ,even sharing initiations,marriage break ups and burgeoning love....everything as Prabhupada's family!So when it came to building temples we also did it together......When i travel the world now its generally very different.In Australia we new everyone ,we all got together for big festivals!
Now in auckland temple we have possibly 200 devotees but i hardly now all their names because we are no longer are a ''close family'' society.They are not interested in sacrificing everything for krishna....as we were!They have a more slow pace....steady as she goes policy!Older devotees in my day .......we literally worshiped them,now they hardly appreciate what we have to offer!They seem rather lazy and more inclined to getting married .....sooner than later!Most become householders and just get jobs ......never to hear from them !My generation thought we would take over the world.....my godbrother sadbhuja prabhu is in mayapura dharma building the vedic planetarium,with Bhavananda das and ambarish das!Vedia prabhu is right....more of a householder mentality has become the norm!But as a new devotee i would say if you are sincere come to Australia on holiday ...sydney temples,gold coast or melborne and get trained up properly....experience the''real sankirtan mood ''.That is the real thing, not this easy as it goes.....relaxed ,time for maya mentality!Find a good older devotee who has compassion and a personal empathy for you and the junior devotees generally!Takew shelter of him.... and the temple president also!
In my day we were prepared to do anything for krishna.....the rent,books,prasadam cost 10,000-15,000 dollars a week.So we went and did anything to liberate the laxmi from the demons!Sell oil paintings,tee shirts,candles and books on saturdays and sundays.Friday and saturdays harinam in the streets!Non stop devotional service.!Yes we have grown but now the newer devotees are simply not as fired up!Not as committed as we were !...your servant

sg -- I'm glad you brought up that point. Sri Govinda Das' rhetoric reminded me of "Onward Christian Soldiers .. Marching Off to War ...." The whole "us and them" mentality of liberating laxmi from the demons --- it rings of neophyte fanaticism and I can see how people would get very turned off. Maybe the reason money doesn't come so easily into the temples these days is not so much a lack of manpower but a growing weariness among the "karmi demons" to be treated like ATM machines. People are more cynical these days than they were back in the 60's and 70's. Also - the hard sell tactics used by the Hare Krishna devotees and other such organizations at airports, shopping malls, etc. are pretty much common knowledge. They have been spoofed in movies, books have been written ....and there's plenty of information about the history of it all on the Internet. The guru and leader of New Vrindaban, Kirtanananda Swami, even went to jail on some racketeering charges which inlcuded copyright infringement from selling Snoopy paraphernalia. That's what I was trying to say before -- what ever happened to good old honest Sankirtana -- going out on the streets with dhotis and saris -- distributing books and magazines and even prasadam (simply wonderfuls and/or halavah) and attracting people through chanting, honesty and love? Then the money would come pouring in. That's how Srila Prabhupada began in New York City so when, where, how and why did it all go astray?

Sri Govinda Das -- when you write that in Australia they have the real Sankirtana mood do you mean that they go out chanting and passing out books and magazines -- or do you mean they go out undercover with stickers and whatnot, hiding the fact that they are Hare Krishna devotees, and with some slick scam they "do the pick" ??? You say that you joined ISKCON in the late 70's -- after Srila Prabhupada had disappeared -- during what's known as the dark ages -- the zonal guru fiasco -- a time when Prabhupada disciples were exiting ISKCON by the hundreds and even thousands and yet you describe the atmosphere as if you were talking about ISKCON of 1969, not 1979. I don't get it. Something isn't clicking. You really have me confused now.

Very interesting information, Veda. So that is the authoritative sastric definition of asura. What exactly does that have to do with what's being discussed? I'm not trying to be sarcastic or disrespectful as you are obviously very learned but it's not clear to me why you posted those definitions and references to "asura." If it had to do with the mentality of "let's liberate laxmi from the demons" ... my point wasn't whether they are demons or not --- it's the mentality of walking out of the temple door into the street thinking, "now I'm going to somehow get money from all these demons and by doing so I'll be doing them a favor. Even if it's true -- shouldn't a neophyte devotee have a humbler attitude and wouldn't you think that all those "demon asuras" are hip to when somebody is coming at them with an air of religious superiority?

It's the same when a devotee is giving a class. Sometimes they will use the words "they" or "you" instead of "we." It's one thing when somebody on the level of Srila Prabhupada speaks in those terms --- but one who isn't on that level of purity and compassion tends to get the false ego mixed into it and that's when it gets weird and distasteful.

My new friend bhahkta hashama ,since you are very neophyte ....obviously still ''envious in nature'',being presently unable to appreciate a devotees preaching mood i will try to explain it further, to hopefully help you to understand the advanced compassionate mood of Srila Prabhupada's preachers!
The servant of Srila AC B haktivedanta swami Prabhupada is a fighter...even sometimes an extremely aggressive preacher!This mood actually comes from his guru....Srila Bhaktisiddanta saraswati thakura.However it is sweetly portrayed within this quotes.
But Srila Prabhupada quoted an old saying,If somebody offers you very nicely washed cloth,you should use it!And some property,you must use it''.
He said that people are rotting outside of Krishna conciousness and we should help them to develop their spiritual lives.''This is combination of rich man poor man,for krishna.The same,anda pangu-nyaya.Both of them are useless seperately,and when they combine together in krishna -conciousness,they are all useful....So our propaganda is,''They are seperately planning useless.Let them combine together in krishna- conciousness.All this planning shall be successful.''
Jayapataka smiled appreciately.We were all useless in the west,but you came and then engaged us!
Srila Prabhupada took his praise humbly.
''It is krishna's desire.Nobody is useless.I was also useless.I could not do in India alone .......anything.''He chuckled.Two uselesses makes useful;intelligence alone cannot work,money is required.A man may have very good brain power,organisation,but if he has no money-useless.So four things required;land,labour,capital organisation.''....from page 185,hyderabad....a transcendental diary august 1976...

So notice how Srila Prabhupada comments that people are'' rotting outside krishna conciousness and we should help them develop their krishna conciousness''!This is the vision of our guru!Our founder-archarya's mood!Notice also his suggestion of what is'' required to forfill his unique service attitude and view''......

A man may have very good brain power,organisation,but if he has no money-useless.So four things required;land,labour,capital organisation.''Hence as an'' empowered '' follower of AC Bhaktivedanta swami Prabhupada he is suggesting we need land,labour,capital and an organisation!

''Fight! Without fight,where is life?If there is no fighting,then what is that life?That is dead stone.Fight must be there.Krishna's whole life is fighting from the very birth....If Krishna is fighting,why not krishna conciousness the same thing?You cannot expect peaceful life.
No ,there must be fighting;then think,That is Krishna's prescence,His fight.''So this fighting means they're feeling the prescence of Krishna conciousness movement.Otherwise why theyre making fight?Had it been an insignifigant thing,there was no question of fighting.''NOVEMBER 2,1976....Srila Prabhupada encouraging visitors to join with him in countering the legal attacks on his movement in america by deprogramers and disgruntled parents...

This unique flavour of a '' fighting vaisnava'' using devotees to liberate laxsmi,becuse he needed land,capital ,labour and a worldwide organisation to serve krishna is very sublime and a special utilisation of ''yukta-vairagya''.Such understandings are special because he expertly utilised ''maya's '' energies in the service of Radha and Krishna!.....Hopefully these quotes might give you and others the specific ''demons and devotee mood'',which empowered those who surrendered to iskcon authorities the ability to achieve wonderful sankirtan results!And then how best distribute that knowledge in the form of books!

My freind sg please accept my humble obeisances......
Mister gates is not trying to surrender to Srila Prabhupada or Krishna.....he seems to be interested in creating a comfitable situation within the material world in my humble veiw sg.
Since as a humble follower of Srila Prabhupada....even Mister gates is'' rotting in the material world,according to an advanced preachers vision and the exact mood of my guru i simply serve his Flavour and vision.
Everything is krishna's not his ....mister gates !That is my siksa guru's mood...AC Bhaktivedanta swami's mood so i will accept that myself!However you are welcome to stay with your version of events sg.
In answer to your question does krishna favour mister gates over his humble devotee,myself?.....Krishna answers this with this sloka from the bhagavad gita......5.15

nadatte kasyacit papam
na caiva sukritam vibhuh
ajnanenavrtam jnanam
tena muhyanti jantavah

"Nor does the Supreme Lord assume anyone’s sinful or pious activities. Embodied beings, however, are bewildered because of the ignorance which covers their real knowledge."...in the purport srila Prabhupada comments,that the ''supreme lord is never responsible for the reactions and actions of the material nature or its particular situation.'

'In laymans terms krishna is saying don't blame me for your karma.....good or bad !That we are simply receiving the results of our karma!

However his devotee is serving his guru...and the result is up to krishna ''after initiation'' ...... or simply out of krishna's mercy when you are a new bhakta!So inconclusion .....krishna is very merciful to his devotee who is surrendered.Which brings to mind......the unique mood of Srila Gaurakisore das babaji Maharaja ,when he used to benedict his followers....''let your material condition....family,freindship and material happiness be destroyed!''

SGD, there is no wonder people have a laid back mood these days when people like you are screaming in their ears they are naive and envious, the last five (5) posts here are yours, ease up and give other people a chance to contribute your not conversing with people you are spamming them with your own opinions.

Hashama comes across as an intelligent discerning person which is exactly how one needs to be, and see how you treat someone who actually thinks, you insult them and turn them away. Hashama is right you are like a Christian soldier, but I see you more like a lemming marching off the cliff. SGD it is you who are naive, for god sake mature up and become broad minded and leave your Iskcon fanaticism at the door.

SGD, your are not representative of anyone least alone Srila Prabhupada you just insist that everyone else accepts your own misguided puffed up point of view, if you are the poster boy of Iskcon then all I can say is that Iskcon is in big trouble, although I highly doubt it, as you admitted yourself recently you were nearly tossed out of Iskcon in New Zealand and I'll bet if you keep it up with your dogmatic backward attitudes it won't belong before they completely tire of you.

It is one thing to cut and paste quotes from all over the place, it is another thing to understand the spirit of the shastra and how to let others discover "The Hidden Treasure of the Sweet Absolute" (as Sridhar Maharaja puts it). Each person must analyse their own selves after all its the science of self realization, of course this is done with the help of humble sincere devotees and a qualified spiritual master and god help us all as these are very hard to find these days.

Hashama already comes across as someone far more advanced than you SGD. Its not the years in Iskcon that makes one advanced, as you are proof of that its the ability of someone to not get too caught up in the externals and institution conciousness and progress ones Krishna conciousness and make discovery of the hidden treasure.

Hashima you are exactly right, people are wise to religious zealots who see nothing but the coins in their pockets, and that is why Iskcon is struggling to pull the cash it needs and you have completely popped SGD's bubble about the 1979 dark ages guru fiasco period, absolutely spot on! Yet somehow SGD thinks these were the golden years...LMHO...absolutely amazing how some people are attached to the dark past.

Yes manasi-seva since you offer the anti-parties veiw,the caste brahmana's ,sahaja swami's and that ''jnani'' Narayanna maharaja ....please feel free!Thought you and others would appreciate this quote!
Vedavyasa prabhu, disciple of Gopal Krishna Maharaja, as told to Ravindra Svarupa prabhu, Prithu prabhu, and Gopal Krishna Maharaja:
"You know, Narayana Maharaja has been trying to initiate me since a long time... I kept avoiding him. When I went away on business at one stage Narayana Maharaja had somebody call my wife to tell her that "Narayana Maharaja wants to see her. She went and he instantly initiated her. When I came back I was most upset and in fact infuriated. So I told my wife: "Since you did this without asking me I can take sannyasa now at any time without asking you as well."
"My wife was crying and crying and Narayana Maharaja heard about it. He passed the message that we both should see him so he would fix this problem. When we went Narayana Maharaja offered instantly that the whole situation could be resolved if I were just to take initiation from him as well. I declined his repeated coaxing, saying ultimately: "Maharaja, you should know that every hair on my body belongs to ISKCON and Srila Prabhupada"
Instantly Narayana Maharaja took my arm and said: "Do you know that he (Srila Prabhupada) was selling liquor?" My blood was boiling that he would go so far to get me to take initiation from him that he would try to break my faith in Srila Prabhupada. I instantly said to my wife: "Give him the beads back" which she did. And we rushed out of his room." (Note: It seems that Narayana Maharaja must have been referring to the fact that in his householder days Srila Prabhupada's pharmacy sold 100% alcohol for medical use.)" ....so yes siva ratri can be worshiped within the temple as long as it is infront of the deities!

With all due respect sri govinda das -- I have no idea what you are talking about. You have a strange way of communicating. I have never before encountered a style such as yours and I'm not sure what to think. I certainly don't get a good feeling from you. When I read anything written by Srila Prabhupada I feel as if I'm drinking nectar. When I read what you write I feel like I am eating nails. Maybe you ought to tone it town a little or, as we say here in the U.S., "chill out, dude." In all my reading of Srila Prabhupada's letters and conversations I never saw where he called somebody an envious neophyte because they asked some questions. He would sometimes -- rarely -- to a person's face -- call them a rascal if they were challenging the philosophy of Krishna consciousness -- an atheist, scientist, sahajiya or impersonalist -- or a person posing as a teacher or leader but who is a cheater. Yes, Srila Prabhupada was a fighter but his weapon was the Mahamantra and his battle plan was to conquer the hearts and minds of the suffering people in this Kali Yuga.

Sri Govinda Das -- why does it seem like you are very angry? Are you? I detect a great deal of hostility in your posts here. It's like you are in a corner swinging wildly at anyone who comes near you. I really don't think that your mood of hostility is representative of Srila Prabhupada's "fighting spirit." That's a looooong stretch, my friend.

Thanks for clarifying that, Veda. Now I understand.

Sri Govinda Dasa - Please accept my obeisances. Humbleness, i am still trying
to understand. So, pls forgive me for my crudeness.
The general population of non devotees whom you call demons includes personalities like Bill Gates who has a personal wealth of 42 billions dollars and continues to make 5.8 millions dollars a day. This person (Bill Gates) has contributed billions of dollars to charity and has further pledged his entire personal fortune of billions to it but sadly not a single cent was given to your most sublime and unique spiritual conscious society. How come you have not gone and liberated the laxmi from this big demon and others like him. You have repeatedly mentioned that you have been uniquely trained for this. So please let us have your uniquely flavoured inspirational answer.

HDGSP has a little bit to add on this " When a person occupies an exalted executive position,one should consider that he has acquired the grace of the
Lord. HDGSP quotes the following verse " Know that all beautiful, glorious
and mighty creations spring from but a spark of my Splendour." ( Bg 10:41)
Whenever we see something exalted, we must consider it part of the power
Supereme Personality of Godhead . A powerful man (vibhutimat Sattvam) is
one who has obtained the grace of the Lord or has derived some power
from Him. "Krsna says tejas tejasvinam aham - I am the power of the
powerful. (Bg 7:10)

The learned brahmana scholars showed respect to Nawab Hussain Shah
because he represented a fraction of Krsna 's power." A quote from CC.

So don't go around calling people as demons. You are not in the authoritative
position to do so.

In my readings I've come across the following terms and words used by His Divine Grace:

demons (and demoniac)
rascals (and rascaldom)
rogues
fools (and foolishness)
hogs, dogs, camels and asses
dullheaded
cheaters (and cheated)
insufficient brain substance
misled
upstarts
puffed up
mundane wranglers
materialistic
miscreants
useless
uncivilized

I'm sure this list is longer but it's certainly quite obvious that Srila Prabhupada didn't pull any punches. At the same time he didn't use these words indiscriminately -- and certainly not to describe an aspiring and inquiring student. He was like a thunderbolt to the stubborn atheists, the impersonalists who twist Krishna's words and the true meaning and message of Bhagavad-gita ... and of course, the scientists who write post-dated checks in their efforts to convince people that life comes from matter and the universe began with a giant bang.

Baker: This again confirms that imitation is not the way to go. Terms need to be explained.

Baker is absolutely right one of the great examples of this was the documentary "Blue eyes, brown eyes" a school class in the 60's were separated into two groups the blue eye group and the brown eyes + other colour eyes group. The blue eye group were told they were special and more naturally intelligent and the other group were told they were stupid. The blue eye group grades and confidence went through the roof and the other group started to fail, they reversed this some time later and said they made a mistake and it was the blue eye people who were stupid and the other eye colour group were the intelligent ones, immediately the results reversed and the other eye colour group marks went through the roof and the blue eye group started to fail.

That is why it is important to find the right community of devotees and the correct spiritual master for you, many devotees and even some gurus have a very negative approach to shastra, yes in some ways its supported by shastra as thats where all their quotes come from, but they are always on about the negative stuff and never quote the positive.

Chaitanya Mahaprabhu was life affirming and very positive, he cut through all of the caste and varnashrama rules, accepted so called low borns as associates and disciples, embraced the diseased, protested the authorities, distributed love of god to all and sundry even the corrupt drunkards Jagai and Madhai who any brahmana would have said they were evil demons most unqualified.

Baker I think your attitude is fine, you just have to sincerely look for simple humble positive devotees. When looking think broad not only Iskcon, you should check the Sri Chaintainya Saraswath Math, they have a very humble approach.

On their homepage their acharya Srila B.S. Govinda Maharaj has his words to live by quote:
"In the battlefield, we are always ready to fight, this is our nature, but Sriman Mahaprabhu showed His nature when He was on the battlefield - always humble. That is the difference... When He went to Prakasananda Saraswati's meeting, He sat in a very ignorable place... Very humble."

Check em out for yourself.

http://www.scsmath.com/index.html

In the end what institution we belong to has no meaning, what is important is that we are achieving prem (love of god).

Hashama:

Thank you, Veda. One of the wonders of poetry is that so much is said in so few words. You have that talent.

He does, yes. :)

Baker -- I'm curious -- if you don't want help, then why do you continually ask for it? You come up here presenting yourself as somebody who is attracted to Krishna consciousness but you're having some problems accepting, understanding and believing. In all fairness -- if Manasi seva would have just written "I think your attitude is fine ...." and not added some advice ... what would you have gained from the exchange? You are a student, like myself, who has some questions and is wanting/needing some guidance on this path of Krishna consciousness that you have decided to pursue or at least explore. So if you are asking questions then be prepared for the answers, but it's not fair to fault those who are attempting to help you. When that bully was bothering you -- did you seek help from that person or did they just come to the rescue like some good samaritan? Whatever the answer --- your situation here is obviously that you are seeking help in the form of advice as well as information and knowledge that will hopefully alleviate whatever lingering doubts you have concerning the science of Krishna consciousness, bhakti-yoga.

So ... be careful not to bite the hand that feeds you.

> It's that not all help that is offered is actually useful or pertinent.

> I suppose this is the curse of online forums: one gets all kinds of responses, some of them are helpful, some are not.

You answer yourself. Therefore HBV 1.73 says: "They [guru and disciple] should undergo a mutual examination for the duration of a year, living together, to experience and understand each others' behavior and nature."

Baker >>It's not that I would not want help. It's that not all help that is offered is actually useful or pertinent.

Baker you ramble on about how people are negative towards you or label you with some negative name and when someone agrees with you about negative reinforcement and suggest to find a more positive group to associate with you complain that you cannot trust people who suggest something positive. It appears whatever suggestions are put forward you continue with some bizarre circular argument.

The only pattern I can see Baker is that you refuse to accept the medicine on offer, you continually deposit into this forum all the reasons why you either cannot believe, cannot accept, cannot understand, cannot have faith or cannot understand what it is to have faith and for every rational suggestion that is put to you all you come up with is some irrational excuse as to why that won't work for you and your tone is often covered in ungratefulness.

Everyone here that has responded to you has done so in a mood of offering kind assistance or help, many of those suggestions I have not agreed with, however I always see the goodwill in which it is offered and I think you should to. Regardless of whether the suggestion hits the nail on the head or not, show some depth of spirit and appreciation. Acts of kindness are becoming a rare thing in this world and when devotees are taking time out to sincerely help you on a path to re-awakening your love for Radha and Krishna whether you believe in them or not, if nothing else try and see the beauty in that. All the devotees here that have responsed to you care or they simply wouldn't respond to you. No one here has ever suggested some dark evil path to you, when they do so maybe that would be the time to come on with the ungrateful attitude.

SGD its important to have a sense of humor, how you can react in such a serious manner to something that Hashama said in jest is beyond me, this forum can sometimes get quite heavy and little humour does not go astray but to interpret what he said as some serious attack is just plain stupid. I don't think you read the posts correctly.

SGD you better go back and take your history lessons again, Hitler and his mad scientists did not invent the nuclear bomb, if they had you can bet Hitler would have used it. The first atomic test was in New Mexico during the predawn hours of July 16, 1945. The test was the culmination of three years' planning and development within the super secret Manhattan Project headed by General Leslie R. Groves. & Dr. J. Robert Oppenheimer.

Oppenheimer was also a Sanskrit scholar and a great lover of the Bhagavad Gita one of his favourite quotes was BG 11.32 "The Blessed Lord said: Time I am, destroyer of the worlds..."

So manasi seva and hasama ...how foolish you show yourselves to be! In the mahabharat if you read it you will find arjuna,bhisma ,parasarama and drona- acharya all used the ''Brahmastra'' ,nuclear weapons!The american's merely claimed to have invented!Some five thousand odd years ago ksatriya's used,so how they have created?.......hence you show your ''american arrogance'' lack of training again hashama.They did not go to the moon also....,just [american]nasa cheating....
That ranks up their manasi-seva with your mundane vision of Sri Dharma Mayapura...It is not a myth manasi- seva...follow your guru ,govinda maharaja....he beleives prabhu!Well hashama what you fail to understand is that by bombing hundreds of thousands of ''children and women'' the american president ,showed their[americans] true demoniac nature unfortunately!We are attempting to be ''servants of the servants'' of radha and krishna......not conditioned souls hanging on to our ''bodily illusions''

SGD we were talking about recent history, the last hundred years and who had access to the atomic bomb first, Hitler or the Americans. You said Hitler had it first that means you are wrong! So stop trying to change the fact that you don't know your recent history.

So much science of a different kind was available in the previous yuga but that has been lost now. In the times of the Mahabharata they had weapons that were so precise they could take out certain individuals amongst a mass of others, they were weapons that were initiated by mantra and are not really to be compared to the gross weapons of the Kali Yuga.

SGD your moronic rantings, ravings and blasphemous tone do not resemble any Gaudiya Vaisnava teachings I have ever seen and do not deserve any response,
I won't be responding to your garbage anymore so rant away!

Sri Govinda Dasa - For a moment i thought you had decided to hang up your
spear and shield. Okay i would like to have a closure on this and this is my
last say. You are suppose to help the servant of the servant of the servant of
Sri Krsna and sweet Lord Krsna Himself to liberate the fallen condition souls from this material world. NOT that you liberate their laxmi by selling them stickers and sunglasses and whatnot's just to maintain your temples and worse call them demons.

I am sure this is NOT what HDGSP wanted his disciples or his grand disciples to do.So please do not quote sweet Lord Krsna or HDGSP or any other personal associates of Lord Krsna saying that you too can imitate Them simply because you happen to come realize that you are a finite spark of the supreme Lord marginal potency. HDGSP didn't travel thousand of miles at the ripe old age with failing health to teach his disciples how to be rude and crude to the general public. So, please do not spoil his good name or the good name of sweet Lord Krsna.

Get to realise that in time to come you will be dead and gone. And all your self glorification will also be finished together with your tribal chief post and your rip and tear from the demons abilities. What happens to you after that will depend on
how Supreme Lord Sri Krsna favours you.

Forgive me if i have in any way offended you. Hare Krsna, Prabhu