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Philosophy: Who was really Jesus?

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      CommentAuthorabhiram
    • CommentTimeAug 9th 2007
     
    Was he a man who became a sannyasi/yogi in India?

    I even heard he is an incarnation of Lord Nityananda.

    any quotes?
    • CommentAuthorshina
    • CommentTimeAug 9th 2007
     
    waiting for VEDA...
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      CommentAuthormishra
    • CommentTimeAug 9th 2007
     
    http://www.tombofjesus.com/BookReviews.htm

    Webpage about how Bhavishya Purana quote about Jesus was a christian amendment:

    http://www.gosai.com/krishna-talk/58-jesus-in-the-vedas.html
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      CommentAuthorVEDA
    • CommentTimeAug 9th 2007 edited
     
    Sannyasi/yogi/Buddhist are Gnostic/Muslim versions.

    If we take both Vedic and Christian Catholic theology as true (being preserved by tradition) and juxtapose (compare) them, the result is only one person: the One standing on the right hand (Mt 26:64, Lk 22:69, Mk16:19, 1Pet 3:22, Heb 10:12, etc.) of Krishna. This is my personal conclusion. There is no explicit sastric quote (otherwise there wouldn't be any confusion) so the triple sastra-guru-sadhu check is not possible.
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      CommentAuthorabhiram
    • CommentTimeAug 9th 2007
     
    Balaram?
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    The only thing I heard was what a devotee of Jagannatha Puri had written:
    That Jesus was there learning the Vedas and Bhagavad Gita. He lived by the rules of Vaishnavism. But don't have evidence.

    >the One standing on the right hand (Mt 26:64, Lk 22:69, Mk16:19, 1Pet 3:22, Heb 10:12, etc.) of Krishna.
    I also think Balaram.
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      CommentAuthoramalagaura
    • CommentTimeAug 9th 2007
     
    From: http://www.gosai.com/krishna-talk/61-real-religion-not-man-made.html
    Bhaktivinoda Thakura explains them in Tattva-viveka:

    "Zarathustra [Zoroaster] is a very ancient philosopher. When his philosophy found no honor in India, Zarathustra preached in Iran. It was by the influence of Zarathustra’s ideas that Satan, an equally powerful rival to God, made his imaginary appearance first in the religion of the Jews and then in the religion based on the Koran. Then, influenced by Zarathustra's idea of two Gods, the idea of three gods, or a ‘Trinity’ made its appearance in the religion [Christianity] that had come from the Jewish religion.

    "At first, three separate gods were concocted in the philosophy of Trinity. Later, learned scholars were no longer satisfied with this, so they made a compromise stating that these three concocted gods were God, the Holy Ghost, and Christ." (Bhaktivinoda Thakura, Tattva-viveka 1/21)

    from the author:
    In some circles of western Vaisnavas, ideas abound about personalities such as Jesus Christ being an incarnation of Lord Brahma, Lord Balarama or even Srila Prabhupada being an incarnation of Jesus. These ideas have no sastric basis and devotees should be cautious about accepting ideas and conclusions that are contrary to the opinions of previous acaryas.

    From His Holiness BR Shridhar Swami in "The Search for Shri Krishna, Reality the Beautiful"
    Can download here: http://www.guardian-of-devotion.de.vu/

    "So, even in the midst of the infinite Brahman effulgence, some souls are coming out. It is a question of infinity, so the position of Jesus may be
    considered as eternal, and the time may come when Jesus himself may be converted into Vaisnavism. It is not impossible."
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      CommentAuthorVEDA
    • CommentTimeAug 10th 2007
     
    re "Jesus converted into Vaisnavism"

    Scholar Paul Vignon researching the Turin Shroud found tilak and other particular marks (including a longer sikha-like lock of hair). These marks are thus called 'Vignon marks' after him and scholars have no conclusive explanation for them. More can be found in his work "Le Saint Suaire de Turin devant la science, l'archologie, l'histoire, l'iconographie, la logique", Paris 1939.

    Tilak (the common monotheistic symbol since ancient times) is also seen on early Christian icons.

    http://www.mystae.com/restricted/reflections/messiah/sphysical.html
    http://www.shroudstory.com/faq-jesus-in-art.htm

    Byzantine frescoes and the Turin Shroud, Lennox Manton

    http://space.tin.it/scienza/bachm/MANTON94.PDF

    The Cappadocian frescoes and the Turin Shroud, Lennox Manton

    http://space.tin.it/scienza/bachm/MANTON96.PDF
    http://xoomer.virgilio.it/bachm/MANTON96.PDF (same file)

    Jesus with a boy wearing sikha (Notre Dame Cathedral sculpture, Paris)
    http://www.vnn.org/world/WD9903/sikha2.gif
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      CommentAuthorabhiram
    • CommentTimeAug 10th 2007
     
    This is great:

    "In the 1930's, French Shroud scholar Paul Vignon described a series of common characteristics visible in many early artistic pictures of Jesus. The Vignon marking, as they are known, all appear on the Shroud suggesting that it is the source of later pictures of Jesus:

    A square U-shape between the eyebrows.

    A downward pointing triangle or V-shape just below the U-shape, on the bridge of the nose. "

    So does this mean that Jesus was a Vaishnava and then the Church covered all this up?
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      CommentAuthorVEDA
    • CommentTimeAug 10th 2007 edited
     
    Imho, the real meaning was gradually covered over, not necessarily covered up.

    There were many monotheistic traditions; some of them survived (like Vaishnavism, Judaism, Christianity, Pure Land Buddhism[sic]), some didn't (like various Egyptian and Greek cults). See an overview by Bhakti Ananda Goswami at the bottom of this section:

    http://www.veda.harekrsna.cz/connections/Christianity.php#7

    In a nutshell, it seems that the ancient world history was very different from the current view but research in this regard is not much developed yet. Certainly this is also due to an agenda since adharmic power elites will do anything to prevent an unity-in-diversity cooperation of monotheists worldwide. Their major tool in this regard (aside time-proven 'divide and rule' political strategy) always was, is and will be monism (advaita) which successfully managed to pollute and dillute monotheistic traditions as it can be seen from the history of Judaism, P.L. Buddhism, etc.
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    Wow!! Cool :)

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