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    You know, meaning next in the list that appears in the Bhagavad gita... Krishna, Brahma ,etc
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      CommentAuthorVEDA
    • CommentTimeAug 14th 2007
     
    Not just a sannyasi but every disciple has a traditional right to initiate after disappearance of his guru. Is that what you ask about?
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      CommentAuthorphani
    • CommentTimeAug 14th 2007 edited
     
    as far as i understand not all gurus in the disciplic succession appear in the parampara-list you find in bhagavad-gita, only outstanding ones. i know that life-span deceases with proceeding yugas, but there were other gurus inbetween those listed.

    i have no idea if any of the present gurus after SP will be listed in BGs in a few hundred years; only time will tell.

    if you're asking if they are bona fide, real gurus, that depends if they fulfill SP's requirement: be a transparent medium for their own guru's message and follow the principles.

    ys phani.
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      CommentAuthorabhiram
    • CommentTimeAug 14th 2007
     
    > Not just a sannyasi but every disciple has a traditional right to initiate after disappearance of his guru. Is that what you ask about?
    otherwise the ritviks are right!
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      CommentAuthorsitapati
    • CommentTimeAug 14th 2007
     
    In the front of your Bhagavad-gita a name will appear under the name of A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. It may be your name, it may be the name of someone who acted as your substantial connection to the lineage. It's a siksa or bhagavat-parampara, not a diksa parampara - an idea coined by Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura.
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    I mean like the 33th in this list:

    1. Krsna
    2. Brahma
    3. Narada
    4. Vyasa
    5. Madhva
    6. Padmanabha
    7. Nrhari
    8. Madhava
    9. Aksobhya
    10. Jaya Tirtha
    11. Jnanasindhu
    12. Dayanidhi
    13. Vidyanidhi
    14. Rajendra
    15. Jayadharma
    16. Purusottama
    17. Brahmanya Tirtha
    18. Vyasa Tirtha
    19. Laksmipati
    20. Madhavendra Puri
    21. Isvara Puri, (Nityananda, Advaita)
    22. Lord Caitanya
    23. Rupa, (Svarupa, Sanatana)
    24. Raghunatha, Jiva
    25. Krsnadasa
    26. Narottama
    27. Visvanatha
    28. (Baladeva) Jagannatha
    29. Bhaktivinoda
    30. Gaurakisora
    31. Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati
    32. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
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      CommentAuthorabhiram
    • CommentTimeAug 15th 2007
     
    better to have a name than:
    33. Governing Body Comission.
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      CommentAuthorVEDA
    • CommentTimeAug 15th 2007
     
    >> Not just a sannyasi but every disciple has a traditional right to initiate after disappearance of his guru. Is that what you ask about?
    >otherwise the ritviks are right!

    No, just the opposite. They say no SP disciple can initiate, only SP can.
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      CommentAuthorabhiram
    • CommentTimeAug 15th 2007
     
    oh, that's what I meant. Sorry I didnt express myself correctly.
    Thankful People: phani
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      CommentAuthorphani
    • CommentTimeAug 15th 2007
     
    oops, put my 'thanks' on the wrong post. what i wanted to thank abhiram for was the idea to put the GBC as no. 33 in our bhagavat-parampara ...

    ys phani.
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      CommentAuthormishra
    • CommentTimeAug 15th 2007
     
    sounds weird, GBC is managerial and philosophical fallible body, are we downgrading the parampara?
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      CommentAuthorekendra
    • CommentTimeAug 15th 2007 edited
     
    GBC sure beats a mindless personality cult based on someone less than Srila Prabhupada. In other words - its either GBC or village idiocy.
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      CommentAuthorphani
    • CommentTimeAug 15th 2007
     
    i didn't take the suggestion of putting "the GBC" into the parampara seriously. in fact and reality, at present it seems to act in that way. only with hindsight devotees in the future will be able to put actual names into that parampara-list.

    it wouldn't surprise me if none of today's ISKCON or gaudiya-math chiefs would be found among them. we're too busy struggling with immediate crisis and emergencies to think for or about the parampara as a whole, i'm afraid.

    ys phani.

    PS: i think one comment from abhiram pr. went into the wrong thread:

    > yes but what photo will you put on the altar? :)

    how about this one? (attached)
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      CommentAuthorabhiram
    • CommentTimeAug 15th 2007
     
    hehe. all pcs. I dont like it. :)
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      CommentAuthormishra
    • CommentTimeAug 15th 2007
     
    See, renunciation at its highest peak, hehe
    Abhiram if they had Mac that would be sense grat.

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