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MMMmmm I saw. From what i read in the post on the other thread theres nothing on it anyway

i thought the wiki here at prashnena would be used as a working space, where ideas are brought together, discussed about (either in the forum or on the wiki), and slowly put together by all interested. and the finished result to be used in other sites, like krsnapedia, or namahatta.org.

at nh-org i also want to have a section ("group," in drupal) for new devotees, with introductory material about the basics of SP, philosophy, etc. it would make more sense to develop these resources in a wiki, collaboratively, and then use the result in various ways.

i don't think it's a good idea to present the finished product, the web site where you wnt everybody to go, in the form of a wiki. that limits the way how you can present it, and it leaves too many holes for spam-bots and people who don't like your site to do disturbing stuff. you can get a nicer presentation and less trouble with a non-wiki, either static or dynamic web site. IMO wiki is better for work in progress, not to present the final product.

So that is to say that Wikipedia started as a non wiki or hidden stuff and the final product will be published as a regular web?

Spam bots are not a problem, if the wiki is taken care of nicely. As you know, there is the "history" link where you can revert the content back to normal with a click.

If someone does not understand wiki concept or freedom to publish and be edited, better do their own site with stuff they can control totally.

Maybe karmis are in "ignorance" but they outsmart us in many ways, see christian outreach sites, etc.

We better become humble and learn from them on the fields we should. For Krishna.

And Wikipedia is one of them.

www.vanipedia.org/wiki

Vanipedia is going to be an online encylopedia of Prabhupada's teachings in
compiled form. It will be a wiki. building it now and will launch it
for devotee participation on the 1st of January 2008.

It's live.

I installed a WYSIWYG because I think it is essential.

So right now it is organically evolving! Who says evolution is false?

I have disabled anonymous edits, hope that is ok with everyone.

So that is to say that Wikipedia started as a non wiki or hidden stuff and the final product will be published as a regular web?

[p]no, wikipedia will never be a regular web site. but i doubt they presented all their stuff to the public from the moment they started thinking about it. wikipedia is an exceptionally well functioning example of a wiki site, and it's not completely open; many articles are protected so that only established users can edited them, and they have very good control-mechanisms in place, where entries are checked against ulterior motives, etc.[/p]

Spam bots are not a problem, if the wiki is taken care of nicely. As you know, there is the "history" link where you can revert the content back to normal with a click.

[p]well, wait until pariprashnena gets a little more popular. even at namahatta.org, not a particularly popular site, hits from spam bots grew so dense at times that the server couldn't process regular requests anymore; effectively a DOS-attack - until i started blocking whole IP-ranges on the server-level. and if you don't have some automated spam-identification program in place, you'll be busy all day deleting links to the cheapest viagra-outlets, etc.[/p]

[p]If someone does not understand wiki concept or freedom to publish and be edited, better do their own site with stuff they can control totally. [/p]
[p]Maybe karmis are in "ignorance" but they outsmart us in many ways, see christian outreach sites, etc.[/p]
[p]We better become humble and learn from them on the fields we should. For Krishna.[/p]

[p]correct, wiki webs certainly have their use, and learning how to use them effectively is something we aught to do. but i don't think that wiki-webs are the only webs of the future, that normal, closed web sites are outdated and should be abolished in favor of wikis. even "the karmis" haven't abolished 'normal' web sites; if i want to know what's going on in the international news scene, i don't go to a web site where everybody can post anything; i go to the BBC and google, and some left-wing news services as well. i know that the info. there will be colored by the agancies' respective political and economical affiliations, but i also know that most stories will be based on fact.[/p]
[p]for devotees who have been around for some time, a wiki site is a great place to accumulate and exchange information. but i wouldn't want to send a total new-comer to a site where he's likely to encounter some hothead's angry outbursts before he even has a glimpse what KC is all about. both, wiki and non-wiki web sites have their use, and not just because we're in ignorance about the wiki-concept.[/p]

i'm getting a little confused by the apparent over-abundance of wikis at present: there's the 'old' wiki.pariprashnena.com, then there's pariprashnena.com/pmwiki, and now, finally, krsishnapedia.com/org with a wiki.

i still think it's a good idea to do the 'construction work' on one site, and present the final product, even as a wiki, on another one.

krsnapedia would be the obvious choice for the final version for the larger public, because of the great name. but if you want to do everything in one place, we should decide which one to use. i even don't like the distinction between the two wikis at pariprashnena. if protection is required (and i think it is, for certain things), then we should move everything to the pmwiki installation, instead of having two. you can have unprotected stuff there as well.

(apart from that, i still think that tikiwiki would be a better choice, because of the additional features, like RSS import, mailikng-list integration, and others. but i'm not going to insist on that ...)

I don't understand the concept. A wiki is for user-generated content. How can vanipedia be both a wiki *and* an online encyclopedia of Prabhupada's teachings?

Without further explanation it sounds more like marketing speak than an actual strategy to me...

I'd like to know more about the plan, beyond "I know, let's do a mash up of wikipedia and vedabase!" :-)

Read the description at http://www.vanipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

Devotee volunteers are to compile topical articles based on what SP says throughout his works. Something one needs to do himself preparing a lecture on a specific topic with the help of Vedabase.