Social: Which "sinister movement" caused Iskcon's degradation?

Freemasons?
The Vatican?
Illuminati?
http://vaticanassassins.org

Srila Prabhupada said This Movement, Lord Caitanya's Movement cannot be
defeated from outside but only from within.

I absolutely agree with lalitagopi. Instead of criticizing we should simply "be the change we want to see".. I can never have enough information to rightly judge someone other's behaviour. Therefore I would rather let it on Yamaraj and other competent persons ;-)

It is well known that the CIA or KGB and secret cults infiltrate every powerful organization,in order to destroy them and steal their wealth and reputation,while spying on its members,knowing all their characters and faults of the past,in order to enslave them into submission. As Iskcon is a threat to consumerism[self-sufficiency/bullock carts!],spreading such philosophy means the end of Walmarts/McDonalds etc...The assets of Iskcon as well as the BBT and work power at the time were quite significant[$60,000/day for book sales only],and must have been regarded as easy prey by skillful predators,who also had control of gurukuls with tempting and vulnerable kids!
The New Vrndaban history confirms this!

I agree with Ekendra prabhu's opinion, to point things out when required is educational and responsible. Otherwise you are implicated in propogating an untruth or at least a half truth about someone's spiritual status.

Conspiracy is not usually intentional. Usually it's unintentional and unconscious and is facilitated/aided by neglect, miserly weakness of heart, by not standing up at the right time, by being silently compliant. Unfortunately, many devotees take these things as signs of humility, just like Arjuna. Krishna called him a fool and then proceeded to persuade Arjuna that because his superiors had compromised their position, they were fit to be killed. This is the heavy reality of Bhagavad-gita.

it is been more than 30 years we are not so influential and important, CIA has worthwhile targets to tend to.

Dialog and different views of devotees should be discussed even if painful.
Balance should be attained for the benefit of our movement: not mindless yesmen nor enraged destroyer vandals.

The question is silent about the source and the questioner.The question is irrelevant. Does it need any answer?

My husband had a soubhagya to meet Sreela Prabhupad personally at Raman Reti and Damodar Mandir at Brindaban sometime during 1972/73. Sreela Pabhupad had a great vision of bringing all the Vaishnavites and like minded people of the Globe on one platform and he succeeded in doing so. Not only this, He succeeded in pervading the Krishna cult and the importance of Geeta among the people all over the world which no other organization has been able to do it so far. Today all the bhaktas are only following his footsteps and the objectives of The Great Visionary are being emplanned to succeed. The objectives have even been improved by way of ' Food for Life' and ' Akshay Patra'.
It is also true that the success of an organization partly depends on its critics also. The growth of the ISKCON is so huge which invite critics to peep deeper into it and for that we have to set our home right. This is in fact the pious duty of all we bhaktas.
Now let the above answer maniac bhaktas tell me whether the question was relevant? Why have we been breaking our heads so far?
Neelima Ghosh

...not so, any " sinister influence " would likely use informants,agents,or call them what you like, to infiltrate an organization to gain access to information etc.,after all ,the GBC is very secretive with their meetings etc.,so it's no wonder govinda108 would ask the question that was asked.

The most dominant faith in the world,at present, is the Catholic faith,that grew super powerful during history,by means of forced conversions,invasions of nearly all countries of the world,helped by the official military powers of Europe.Such power doesn't like any opposition,though they may concede some tolerance,in the name of democracy.In USSR, communism succeeded to erase such immense power,during its reign,but as soon as this regime stopped,the church showed its ugly head again,and the Head of the Orthodox church,recently blasphemed Lord Krsna,saying He is a Demon! It is known that President Bush is under the influence of evangelical missions...and all these people don't like the rise of a faith,that is opposite to theirs: in the name of freedom,they preach meat -eating,intoxication,free sex and free gambling,whereas the vaisnavas preach the contrary!Idol worship is also an abominble thing to them!
They actually use the holy Name of Jesus,to push their satanic agenda,that is turning some into super rich people,with loose morality.
Just as they treated communism as a big threat,it is not unwise to suspect that they see the vaisnava philosophy as a similar threat also,and in order to destroy it,they just infiltrate the Society,disguised as devotees,while leading secretly,and ordinary life,which,after some time,was exposed. As the Society was quite wealthy,with a number of sentimental hippy type devotees at the feet of His Divine Grace,it was not difficult to get rid of most of these sincere ones,and control the whole Society,as a big business,as any organized cult or religion generates a huge amount of money,mainly when the Founder created the necessary goodwill when alive.
The main directions of the Founder,named the Directions of Management or DOM was just recently revealed,and the actual authority of the established leaders are being challenged by a new lawsuit from Long Island devotees,accused of ritvikism,and harassed since a long time.
Just imagine a world full of devotees, needing no more cars or McDonalds,Coca-cola,items from China,no drugs business,no casinos etc...and living peacefully among nations!
What will happen to the weapons industry as well as all other industries mentionned?
So,that's why I think the ones in power have all interest to destabilize any society that preaches as we do,and will do anything to stop further progress:just see how difficult it is to build a temple in Moscow,[or Kazahkstan] and to keep even some cows as religious pets[USA.-Angelica]
So, I thinks the sincere devotees should gather together and try to implement the orders of the Spiritual Master,in an organized way,and even become politicians and big businessmen,so as to counteract the agents of Maya.they should be able to uproot any evil that has infiltrated in the Movement,so as to reinforce it spiritually.
Some devotees on this forum,probably newcomers,have not experienced the period when it was inimaginable to hire pujaris or cooks from abroad,so as to keep the temple going,just as they can't imagine how temples were like beehives full of enthusiastic devotees,not empty and dull,except for some sunday feasts or festivals!
Not an easy job!

note: i did not get to read the above response by govindas108 before my last comment.

TIME OUT !!!
exceptions with a few things that have been posted here:


VEDA states:

'Informants (easy to discover by prasna, etc.) and an alleged sinister influence are very different things.'

RESPONSE: the devious nature of a spy, acceptable for killing even under the geneva convention, is EXACTLY the same thing as "an alleged sinister influence".
many of those of us affiliated with ISKCON for three or four decades now are very saddened to see the cooptation of the radical revolutionary standard of Lord Caitanya's, Srila Prabhupada's, Movement to and by the U$A government and her minions. and this:

" I meant state informants. A state doesn't have an interest to take over and control a spiritual organization, but to monitor it for possible criminal activities."

response: what "state" are we talking about here? would that be kazakstan with no interest? the australian police are no longer "checking"? indian charitable trusts act are not enforceable on ISKCON? U$&A still has it's informants in the KRSNA
consciousness movement and are looking for more.

Hare Krishna and Hari Bol,
Soon after posting my observations on the above refered to question, I received a mail from pariprashnena.com, whose reply was as below. It is really not that that I did not know the various episodes which have been narrated by ten very senior bhaktas through their posted observations on my comments in a very short period of one day
( possibly a record that there had been ten vociferous reactions in just one day and one was even edited) but it must have saddened we bhaktas that we have washed dirty linen in public which possibly could have been avoided and in any case was not warranted. From the various observations posted, I really feel that I had hit the hornet's nest.
May I kindly request the admin to close this question and let we all bhaktas work in unision for the upliftment of KRISHNA-CULT WITH THE OBJECTIVES OF ISKCON and pay our obeissance to the Lord and Shrila Prabhupad.
There can not be two opinions that the Lord has to protect His bhakta as he has full faith on Him like Prahlad Maharaj saying that Lord exists every where, was questioned by His demon father Hiranyakashyap that, does His lord exist in the pillar? Prahlad Maharaj had said'yes'. His father then hit the pillar with his sword and Lord Narsimhadev appeared. Let us have faith in our Lord who is our saviour.
HARE KRISHNA
Neelima Ghosh

Hare Krishna and Hari Bol
Thank you very much for commenting on my observations. Bhaktas have realized that the question was not framed properly. It was rather a damaging one. I apologise for hitting the hornet's nest.
Neelima Ghosh

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Saryu:

mishra:Dialog and different views of devotees should be discussed even if painful. Balance should be attained for the benefit of our movement: not mindless yesmen nor enraged destroyer vandals.

Yes, you're surely right. I was thinking more of the optimistic vs pessimistic view of the ISKCON society and related events.

optimistic or pessimistic view could easily mean out of touch with reality. I vouch for realistic and always work for better :)