The Pancaratra-Pradipa is the Deity Worship Handbook. This has been out of print for many years but it is included on the Vedabase in the section Handbooks and Reference. The Pancaratra-Pradipa - PP1 under the section headed "Forbidden Foods" is where you will find the quotation,

Hare Krsna

but lentils or just red lentils... or any kind of lentils?

In Narayan Maharaj camp, they say carrots are impure, like the blood of the earth or something like that.

you noticed this is a different kind of forum, last questions come first in line in the front page, so let us see if someone picks it up, or we can ask the admin to make it sticky on top.

What about non-veg cheese?
I think it is a common thing that is not taken in consideration. You can eat it at home but offer it to the deities? hmmmm.

>what about tomatoes, potatoes, chillies

All of them can be offered, not canned ones though.

beware abhiram, if you attack pizza in any way, the admin could have a go on you

read that part VEDA... "threatening, invasive of a person's privacy" It is implicit.

Prabhupada has suggested not to use soya beans too much because of the association with meat.

It's better to serve (offer) fresh fruit and vegetables.

Soya beans don't belong to the fresh products that can be offered. Soya beans are synthetically made. I believe that Prabhupada said that people can use soya beans for the fase of going to be vegetarian, but this fase can't be too long. Once great devotees didn't want to eat prasadam where soya beans where made in.

I heard this from a prabhuji. I didn't know this also at first.

ys, Servant Krsna

>and what about cocoa?
and "WHITE" chocolate?

Not offerable.

in Spain we don't have much vegetarian cheese, maybe 1 or two brands very difficult to get and very expensive :(

That is quite sad that most of the cheeses in Europe are not vegetarian! A lot of the cheeses here in America are vegetarian. Even if it says rennet, if it says microbial rennet or microbial enzymes - it implies that it is vegetarian. If it just says enzymes, a quick call to customer service can ensure whether the enzymes are animal derived or synthesized. Most companies should eventually start switching over to chemically synthesized rennet I should think since it is much cheaper to produce.....

There is a list of brands and types of cheeses that are vegetarian on this site:- http://cheese.joyousliving.com/

I would be quite sad if I couldn't get veggie cheese....I feel for all you devotees in Europe :(
On a side note - any good pizza recipes ? :D

I read the recipe for cheese making... do you know where to get vegetable rennet in Spain???

Haribol Sol, here I found info about spanish cheese, look at the thread and next pages:

http://www.forovegetariano.org/foro/showthread.php?t=185

vegetable rennet:

http://www.abiasa.es/es/cuajo_vegetal.html

and this is a link to all the cheese manufacturers of Spain, choose your area:

http://www.guiasamarillas.es/directorio/Alimentaci%F3n%20y%20bebidas/L%E1cteos%20y%20derivados.%20Quesos/Fabricantes%20y%20mayoristas%20de%20quesos

If you are successful let me know, so I can get invited to pizza next time we meet :)

karma-less pizza prasadam kijaya!

It is oke to eat it (it is vegeterian), but it is best not to offer it. because it's better to offer fresh things to Krishna. I think He would accept it. But not sure... :)

yes, I also offer tofu :)

Forgot to mention something which makes things only worse,

I offer it all in the mind...if I don't forget it.

and some flakes have fish too...even if it is not mentioned.
So you are having a full non-veg breakfast prabhu!!!

i don´t think so.. i check every time since i have had the opportunity to or buy some, and the least is the garlic on sausages and different sauces and vinegar onioning etc... but, certainly sometimes is much more of chemicals, than for the intoxicated eatables i think, but certainly, check what your eating too, there´s the clue, if.

hare hara

I have Pancaratra-Pradipa in 2 vols

on page 63 of vol 1 there is a heading Forbidden Foods under the section Food Offerings

the text is

common forbidden foods include meat, fish, eggs, onions, garlic, red lentil, burned rice, white eggplant, hemp, citron, saps from trees, if not boiled first, buffalo and goat milk products and milk with salt in it

Then there is a page of quotes from letters and conversations with Srila Prabhupada. All ofthe quotes have a date and location e.g. Letter from Srila Prabhupada, 13 Nov 1968.

Then there is the quote mentioned above with no date or other reference, it must be a personal recollection or something

"Soya beans and lentils are unofferable. [personal instruction by Srila Prabhupada to Hrdayananda dasa Gosvami]"

clearly the authors of the book take Srila Prabhupada to be referring to red lentil because the don't have lentils in the list the give (above) but not do they include soy beans. There would be no traditional reason that soy bean should be excluded it is not tamasic, which is why onion, garlic and mushroom are excluded, they are tamasic. According to Ayurveda they are to be avoided unless prescribed as medicine.

I could type out the other quotes if anyone is interested enough, nothing not available in vedabase as has been said.


regards to all

abrennan - would it be possible to put them in a .txt file and attach it to a post here?

Then why did we only have to promise not to eat meat, fish and eggs and not all the other products?

different levels of approach... one swami even told me one time not to get in the case of people that drink tea and the like, main thing is meat and fish.
depends on your level. And, interesting enough advancement is relative to your position according to SB.

It's the difference between breaking standards (4r) and keeping low standards (eating bhoga, etc.).

Check all the ingredients of your flakes to find out:
http://www.food-info.net/uk/index.htm