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Philosophy: How does Karma and Hell Co-Exist?

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    I understand the aspects of Karma, action reaction etc, but what i want to know is, How does Karma and Hell Co-exist, How do we go to Hell? how do we stay here? etc... i want to understand their Co-Existence... Thanking you in advance
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      CommentAuthorccd
    • CommentTimeApr 9th 2008
     
    You do bad karma, you get bad karma. You have bad karma you go to hell. You work out you bad karma in hell, and then you get some more bad karma, if you do bad karma. And you go to hell again, perpetually you may be placed into such wombs. Scary.
    • CommentAuthorGopalaGuru
    • CommentTimeApr 9th 2008 edited
     
    Wow then where does Reincarnation come into this?

    Then, How does Reincarnation and Hell Coexist?
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    Without reincarnation hell would be eternal. Every time we are reborn in a human form of life, it is our new chance to change our focus in life, from ourselves and matter, to God and spiritual world. Hell is there because some people have hallish mentality, and hellish desires, and engage in horrible activities which hurt other living entities. Thus it is only fair that they are sent to hell for a temporary punishment.
    In Vedic tradition hell is only temporary.
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      CommentAuthorccd
    • CommentTimeApr 9th 2008
     
    <<In Vedic tradition hell is only temporary.>>
    For a small exception of Madhva sampradaya. Madhva accepted eternal damnation, much to the dislike of Hridayananda dasa Goswami I think.
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    ccd:<<In Vedic tradition hell is only temporary.>> For a small exception of Madhva sampradaya. Madhva accepted eternal damnation, much to the dislike of Hridayananda dasa Goswami I think.
    That is not really true. Madhvacarya accepted that some living entities (nitya-baddha) never make it out of this material world. That is his interpretation of shastra. Eternal hell implies infinite punishment for finite wrong doing - that is nowhere supported in the shastras.
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      CommentAuthorccd
    • CommentTimeApr 9th 2008
     
    <<That is not really true. Madhvacarya accepted that some living entities (nitya-baddha) never make it out of this material world. That is his interpretation of shastra. Eternal hell implies infinite punishment for finite wrong doing - that is nowhere supported in the shastras.>>
    No. Madhva supported both that some souls do not make it out nityabadhas AND that some special souls are punished by eternal hell. That is his interpretation of them being 'perpetually cast in the demoniac wombs'. Read some material on it please. Wiki is a place to start.
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    Hare Krishna, But then the verse in Gita where SP says that if we like kill some animals we will be born as an animal in our next life and be killed, etc, and so on, and with the 8.400 000 species and infinite karmas, how does hell appear in this equation?
    • CommentAuthorKula-pavana
    • CommentTimeApr 9th 2008 edited
     
    Madhva supported both that some souls do not make it out nityabadhas AND that some special souls are punished by eternal hell. That is his interpretation of them being 'perpetually cast in the demoniac wombs'.
    I have read quite a bit of Madhva's works and did not get the impression that he is speaking about eternal hell for some living entities. Based on what I know 'perpetually cast in the demoniac wombs' simply means for Madhvas that they are perpetually born among demons (daitya), based on their taste and desires. Some daitya planets are far, far nicer and more pleasant than our world and are not to be confused with the hellish worlds (naraka).
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      CommentAuthormishra
    • CommentTimeApr 9th 2008
     
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    GopalaGuru:Hare Krishna, But then the verse in Gita where SP says that if we like kill some animals we will be born as an animal in our next life and be killed, etc, and so on, and with the 8.400 000 species and infinite karmas, how does hell appear in this equation?
    Hellish worlds are places of special punishment. Some of these worlds are physical, some are only mental (illusion of suffering, as in a nightmare). Some types of bad karma can only be received in these hellish regions. Other types of karma are received here on earth, in various species of life.
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      CommentAuthorccd
    • CommentTimeApr 9th 2008
     
    DVAITA views of MADHVA:
    He separates a class of souls that is eventually condemned to eternal hell or Andhatamas, known as Tamo-yogyas. And its part of official tattvavada doctrine.

    see also: http://www.dvaita.org/shaastra/prameya.html

    V. The fifth prameya

    dhyeyo nArAyaNaM nityaM sR^ishhTisthitya.ntakArakaH |
    bhaktAnAM muktido nityamadhamaj~nAninAM tamaH ||

    Worthy of contemplation is that NârâyaNa (Vishnu) who is Eternally the Cause of Creation, Sustenance, and Destruction; who is the Giver of mukti (liberation) to [His] devotees, and of eternal damnation to the evil.

    They keep going explaining it. Unusual for hindu.. but all know about it being different from the mainstream.
    Thankful People: Kula-pavana
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      CommentAuthorVEDA
    • CommentTimeApr 9th 2008
     
    Not all reactions are finished in hell (> animal bodies). See Garuda P. 2.10.88-89, 2.46.9-10,28.

    http://www.veda.harekrsna.cz/encyclopedia/garuda-purana.htm

    Among nonliberated jivas tamo yogyas are the third class and nitya samsaris the second as per Madhva doctrine. I've debated one Madhva follower about this last year:

    http://community.beliefnet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1893

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