my question revolves around the "--> including but not limited to his (Srila Prabhupada´s) instructions and personal example

,,,it doesn't really matter,it's just a piece of paper that won't do anyone any good ever

I am curious to know what instructions of His Divine Grace did not work when applied... any example Kula-pavana?

"Management (DOM) document was developed and signed by Srila Prabhupada, but it was not fully implemented by him, and in many cases he himself did not follow its directives."

All your points speak of envy to Srila Prabhupada and Vedic culture. You slyly put the blame on SP for all our inadequacies and shortcomings.

I would recommend everybody to quit your poisonous association instantly, and I ask you to leave this my question alone and go your way.

sitapati:
"Commentary on the motivations of others invariably says more about the commentator than it does about the person they are commenting on"

Ah, yes? Then there is no Absolute Truth? Every time SP says that people witout KC are animals, you apply the "atmavan"?

All comments about others fall into that category? Is your comment about me, somewhat above the rule?

I think you fit more into those yoga clubs that pull aphorisms to suit their whimsical needs.

That statement by KP is VERY offensive of Srila Prabhupada, of course it goes along with your KS like train of though and suits your speculative mental orgasms.

Poor thing, and poor the people that participates in your squander of the philosophy and the despise of the pure devotee. This is Kaliyuga folks!!!!

so you supersede 2 signed documents for a (.....) silence?
you put the blame on SP because he did not force the rascals to implement the DOM?
and, can't you see that SP referred to the GBC that he appointed?
above all there is common sense, elections are meant to install the check and balance you seem to love.
Is your conclusion that the DOM doesnt work? As all other managerial instructions of SP first we have to follow them, then we can judge.
What I clearly see is the demeaning tone on Srila Prabhupada, shame on you, 1 thousand times.

Use of the "mocking rhetorical question" is not at all compatible with the spirit of pariprashnena. If you have some fact to state, then simply state it with it pramana. If you want to humbly and sincerely inquire, then do that.

If you want to characterize and put other devotees down, this is not the place for it.

"Etiquette is the jewel of the Vaisnava."
- Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu

trying to shamelessly put the blame on SP does not cloud the fact in my eyes that this statement in the draft of the constitution--> including but not limited to his instructions and personal example

i just have to lean in here and comment about this phenomenon of hiding behind a fictitious user name and making inflammatory remarks towards other people.

Would anyone who does this be able to bring themselves to say such things in a face to face conversation?

I guess it would be idealistic of me to expect everyone to conduct themselves with maturity but I think that requiring people to actually use their devotional names (if they have one) would hold them more accountable for what they say. That would make this whole forum a lot more useful and worth revisiting in my opinion.

I rarely visit these days because of all of the bullying and quarrel that I read here. Could have been prevented by following the above advice, which I did give when this site was just starting. Oh well ... too late now ... for the most part it's become a loosely structured melee with devotees practically sticking out their tongues at each other and instigating quarrel.

haribol adminji.

I agree with you (whoever you are) that there is very little point in having a forum where there is no freedom of expression and where only sterilized dialogue takes place. However, I'm not impressed with some individuals who take that freedom (coupled with anonymity) and use it to provoke reactions in ways that I seriously doubt they'd have the courage to do face to face.

By your own standards of non-censorship I think I should be free express when I think the discussions are going in an unproductive direction. This is the case on this thread. Other threads too, but who wants to hear me complaining ALL the time.

If I were to stop coming here it wouldn't be because of your suggestion that I'm prone to an intellectually 'clean' and 'safe' forum. I think I can safely say that anyone who knows me could testify to that.

My reasoning would be along the lines of why I rarely read the Rupert Murdoch owned media stuff like FOX Network or The Daily Telegraph here in Australia. I'd just rather get my information in a classier way without all of the immaturity and intellectually/emotionally accosting interactions. If you have a look at the New York Times, for instance, they actually can present some hot topics but not in such a sensationalist or populist way as the Murdoch group. (Most of the time that is - the NYTimes has its shortcoming too pushing political agendas so one-sidedly.)

I still have high hopes for this forum and have supported it from just about its inception. Looking at your site stats just now it seems that I'm probably in the top ten for # of posts.

Oh and because I'm human I'd like to admit that this statement of yours got me upset:

"We know that to show the truth with all its ugly face will repel those who like to entrench on their rosy world fearing to ask themselves those questions that disturb but probably are an essential part of becoming Krishna conscious. "

Please. This is a good example of the kind of inflammatory remark that makes my forehead squinch up and wonder why I keep coming here. Do you know me well enough to make such a suggestion? Would you say something like this to me face to face? How can you be so confident that 'we' are are too entrenched in our 'rosy world' that we are 'afraid to ask ourselves' essential and challenging questions?

What rosy world? Geez. Not the one I live in I can assure you.

ekendra:

i just have to lean in here and comment about this phenomenon of hiding behind a fictitious user name and making inflammatory remarks towards other people.

For the record: I use my actual initiated name on all forums where I write.

sitapati:

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atmavan manyate jagat

"One sees in others what is present within oneself"

Commentary on the motivations of others invariably says more about the commentator than it does about the person they are commenting on.

Actually I wanted to quote you and not thank you.

Sitapati you clearly have no envy in your hearth.you see everybody as spirit soul and never see any fault in anyone.If fact I am sure if I was to come and punch you in the fave that you would do nothing coz you have no anger in your heart either.If I was to steal your money you would borrow some more from your family and give it to me coz you see no fault in others.You must be an uthama adhikary mate.What a bunch of crock!!! Sickening.

This guy Kula-pavana obviously has some really unhealthy conclusions about Srila Prabhupada that he doesn't mind spewing on public forum.I wander where he gets it from?

So according to you we should all sit back and watch Srila Prabhupadas character/example/teachings etc. assassinated by neophytes like Kula-pavana and and similar hordes and do absolutely nothing?Rubbish.

Kula-pavana ass was most likely eating meat a decade ago (or two at the most) and didn't know how to wipe off his arse and here he is passing judgements about the person who saved him:A.C.Bhaktivedanta Swami Maraharaj.It was not Narayan Maharaj it was Srila Prabhupad that saved most of us.Don't forget it you emasculate ingrates.Stand up and fight for what is right.