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Philosophy: is it permissible to kill on the guru's order?

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    is it permissible, even required, to kill if given such instruction by ones guru?
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      CommentAuthorekendra
    • CommentTimeMay 14th 2008
     
    if it correlates with sadhus and sastra

    In the case of Kswami -> no.
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      CommentAuthorekendra
    • CommentTimeMay 14th 2008
     
    in the case of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura ordering the snake to be killed outside the Gaudiya Math in Yogapith -> yes.
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      CommentAuthorccd
    • CommentTimeMay 14th 2008
     
    Not only that but Arjuna was required to kill his gurus.
    • CommentAuthorpremasru
    • CommentTimeJun 10th 2008
     
    Wasn't it Parasuram's guru who ordered him, "Chop off the head of your mother (Renuka)" He didn't hesitate, he immediately chopped off her head. It illustrates the guru and disciple relationship. Parasuram didn't deliberate on the guru's instruction. Immediately he carried it out. He got the guru's mercy. Of course, guru means guru in the true sense, one hundred percent surrendered.
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      CommentAuthorccd
    • CommentTimeJun 10th 2008 edited
     
    yes only if your guru is your military guru. (hey what it has to do with the snake? that was just an illustration of sastric point and if you lived in bengal you will know that killing of cobra is a pious deed...)
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    [quote][cite] premasru:[/cite]Wasn't it Parasuram's guru who ordered him, "Chop off the head of your mother (Renuka)" He didn't hesitate, he immediately chopped off her head. It illustrates the guru and disciple relationship. Parasuram didn't deliberate on the guru's instruction. Immediately he carried it out. He got the guru's mercy. Of course, guru means guru in the true sense, one hundred percent surrendered.[/quote]

    First of all, Parasurama was the only child who obeyed the order of his enraged father (Jamadagni). That does not in any way establish a precedence for anyone to kill on the order of his guru. Jamadagni had to suffer the consequences of his order, and that is the real moral of that story.

    It is also worth pointing out that Jamadagni was powerful to revive his wife Renuka, after she was killed by Parasurama. Unless your guru can revive his victim, do not agree to kill for him.
    • CommentAuthorpremasru
    • CommentTimeJun 10th 2008
     
    Kula-pavana:Unless your guru can revive his victim, do not agree to kill for him.
    Thank you for bringing this point to focus. A guru, bona fide guru acts only for the pleasure of Krishna and wouldn't tell his disciple to do something that goes against sadhu-guru-sastra principles.

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