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Is this phrase really in the original CCaritamrta?
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Current Version: "Even if one thinks that there are many pseudo devotees or non devotees in the Krishna Consciousness Society, still one should stick to the Society; if one thinks the Society's members are not pure devotees, one can keep direct company with the spiritual master, and if there is any doubt, one should consult the spiritual master." CC madhya 19.157
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Original Version: "If one thinks that there are many pseudo devotees or non devotees in the Krsna Consciousness Society, one can keep direct company with the spiritual master, and if there is any doubt, one should consult the spiritual master." CC madhya 19.157
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Both versions say "if one thinks that there are _many_ pseudo devotees or non devotees in the Krishna Consciousness Society", neither version says something like "if one thinks that _all_ devotees in the Krishna Consciousness Society are pseudo devotees or non devotees".
It is only in the case if one version would say "all" that there would be a problem.
It seems to me that both versions given in the OP are actually saying the same thing. Both say one should associate with one's spiritual master. And since the spiritual master is part of the Society, it is impossible to leave the Society, but still associate with the spiritual master. -
Hare Krishna. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. Please accept my humble obeisances.
Yes, i have the One Volume Sri Caitanya Caritamrta by His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, and the quotation, as you have written, is there in the purport. The value of this original edition just shot up a thousand-fold; seeing how current print versions have been corrupted and how rare they have become. I was unaware of the changes. To find out if the original is or will be available try www.krishna.org, affiliate of asitis.com
Do they say the same thing? Absolutely not. Srila Prabhupada's version says we can keep company with him who is the Spiritual Master of the society. Some will question how can we consult with Srila Prabhupada when he has physically departed. But what do you think prayer is for? Why pray if you do not believe the Spiritual Master and Sri Krishna can hear us? Why offer food if He cannot eat? Is the Lord not everywhere? Does He not know our heart? Is He not in our hearts, directing our wanderings? Is Srila Prabhupada not His external representation?
The Bhaktivedanta Purport goes on to say, "However, unless one follows the spiritual master's istructions and the regulative principals governing chanting and hearing the holy names of the Lord, one cannot become a pure devotee." This statement confirms that the instructions of Srila Prabhupada and the regulative principals of chantiing and hearing the holy names of the Lord are what is needed to become a pure devotee, and that is what is meant by association or keeping company.
The original version is not a 'mistake'. The time factor is under Lord Krishna's control, He is not under it.
The difference is, the later version promotes sticking to the society and the original authorized edition promotes sticking to the Spiritual Master and his instructions. Sticking to the society but not sticking to Srila Prabhupada and his instructions is not recommended. Srila Prabhupada is both within and without the society. He is Jagat Guru, the Spiritual Master of the universe. Therefore, Srila Prabhupada, Sri Guru, is the important person to keep contact with--whether within or outside the society.
Srila Prabhupada taught by his own example, saying he always felt the presence of his Spiritual Master. With such a perfect person as Srila Prabhupada as our Divine Eternal Master, i wonder why more are not inspired to cultivate the same?
Hare Krishna -
Are you saying that this "Even if one thinks that there are many pseudo devotees or non devotees in the Krishna Consciousness Society, still one should stick to the Society;" is an addition?ccd:
I don't know the exact process of how the purports were made. I imagine though that to some extent, they might be compilations from various sources?
For example, in a lecture on a particular verse, Srila Prabhupada might have elaborated on something more than in the direct dictation for the purport. It would make sense to incorporate that into the purport.[br][br]
Other than that - Does anyone think that the two versions are saying different things, and if yes, by what reasoning? -
Srila Prabhupada wrote purports independently of his lectures. Since you can read Czech here's an article about the book production: http://www.harekrsna.cz/cvs/menu/filozofie/zakladatel_iskconu/knihy
The essence is the same. Without comparison with tape or manuscript I can't make any conclusions. For CC they should be still extant. -
[quote]Baker:
Are you saying that this "Even if one thinks that there are many pseudo devotees or non devotees in the Krishna Consciousness Society, still one should stick to the Society;" is an addition?ccd:
I don't know the exact process of how the purports were made. I imagine though that to some extent, they might be compilations from various sources?
For example, in a lecture on a particular verse, Srila Prabhupada might have elaborated on something more than in the direct dictation for the purport. It would make sense to incorporate that into the purport.[br][br]
Other than that - Does anyone think that the two versions are saying different things, and if yes, by what reasoning?[/quote]
No the purports were normally dictated by Prabhupada and as the case is with CC, put together by Pradyumna, then edited and as the case was with CC rushed without final proofreading due to deadline. The rush and lack of proofreading had caused the quality drop, that was fixed in the second edition? We forget how much Pradhyumna actually did, we also forget that most of CC purports are coming from BSST. But in any case the final result coming from Prabhupada to BBT was a typed page (something like the one attached). The above quote does not make much sense, as it look something was lost in translation. Only the tapes of Krsna book really survived (thank you Sdg) and CC tapes did not survive.
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