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Is there a positive future between B.V. Narayana Maharaja and ISKCON?
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A Joint Statement of: The BHAKTI Trust Public Affairs Office and the ISKCON Communications Ministry
October 24, 2009,
Vrindavana, India - On October 17, five representatives of Governing Body Commission of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness (ISKCON), founder-acarya His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, forming an official delegation, met with Srila B.V. Narayana Maharaja, founder-acarya of the BHAKTI Trust Mission, near the pilgrimage site of Govardhana Hill, just a few miles from Vrindavana, India. The meeting, which had been planned for several months, was held at Narayana Maharaja's Sri Sri Gauranga Radha Giridhari temple at Giridhari Gaudiya Math.
The ISKCON leaders in attendance were His Holiness Gopal Krishna Maharaja, His Holiness Lokanath Maharaja, Ravindra Svarupa dasa, Badrinarayan dasa, and Anuttama dasa. Besides Narayana Maharaja himself, BHAKTI Trust leaders present were Sripad B.V. Madhava Maharaja, Brajanath dasa and Jalakara dasa. The meeting lasted for more than thirty minutes. It was described by both sides as "respectful and cordial."
Upon arrival at the temple, the ISKCON leaders had a brief darshan of the temple Deities. Afterward, they were escorted to Narayana Maharaja's quarters. There, the participants were introduced to each other and there was an exchange of gifts and garlands.
Narayana Maharaja opened the meeting by expressing his appreciation for Srila Prabhupada, ISKCON's founder-acarya, and for Prabhupada's achievements in promoting Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu's mission around the world. Narayana Maharaja reminded those present of the assistance he had offered to Srila Prabhupada and ISKCON in the early days of Prabhupada's mission, and after Prabhupada's passing in 1977.
Anuttama dasa, ISKCON's Communications Minister, speaking on behalf of the GBC, offered a formal apology to Narayana Maharaja for "the GBC's failure to communicate properly and in a timely personal manner," to Narayana Maharaja regarding ISKCON policies that were established in 1995. Although the GBC decided at that time the policies were necessary, Anuttama dasa regretted that they had not communicated them properly and the lapse had contributed to further misunderstandings. Anuttama dasa also shared the GBC's mandate from Srila Prabhupada that the GBC guide and manage his
ISKCON institution.
Narayana Maharaja made several proposals how to improve the relationship between ISKCON and himself and his followers. The ISKCON delegation said it would convey those suggestions to the full GBC Body. Narayana Maharaja and the ISKCON leaders expressed their shared desire that the two Vaishnava organizations would like to see cordial relations between them based on mutual respect and understanding.
As the session drew to a close, both sides expressed gratitude to each other for the meeting and its pleasant tone. As the ISKCON emissaries prepared to leave, a delegation of senior devotees serving in the BHAKTI Trust (Jalakara dasa, B.V. Sajjan Maharaja and Jadurani (Syamarani) dasi) formally asked the GBC representatives to accept their apologies for all mistakes and offenses they had committed in their past relations with ISKCON. Obeisances were then exchanged all around.
Anuttama dasa, ISKCON Minister of Communications
Jalakara dasa, BHAKTI Trust Public Affairs Director
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BTW I am not a follower of Narayana Maharaja, just interested in the exchange. -
Having seen the video at matchless gifts..Uk site...we would have to see narayana maharaja visually,on film especially make a verbal apology to srila Prabhupada for his extremely offensive behaviour then there might be some genuine response from those who witnessed this aparadha against our param guru.Otherwise let them stay outside our organisation ,they are prone just to try and steal our devotees.
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I mean it is between ISKCON and NM, not 'former' ISKCON devotees and NM...
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I agree that a public apology by NM (or a representative) would be in order to help the situation, considering the GBC has officially apologised through their representative.
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No it must be on video and it must be narayanna maharaja.
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And he should say ... this and that, because this is what I want...
No it must be on video and it must be narayanna maharaja.sri_govinda_das: -
Parasuurama is former Iskcon devotee??
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Parasuraama, an incarnation of the Lord, who killed the ksatriya community as a whole twenty-one times?
It brings to mind the quote from Srila Prabhupada's Purport to the second canto:
"The valuable time of one's life must therefore be fully engaged in the transcendental loving service of the Lord. Then other desirable achievements are automatically gained. But even after obtaining such achievements, one should be on guard against the pitfall of offenses at the feet of the devotees. The vivid example is Haihaya, who achieved all such perfection in devotional service but, because of his offense at the feet of a devotee, was killed by Lord Parasurama."
I find that the meeting was aimed to mitigate the offences and the chances to commit them, more then anything else. Let us see what they will come up with on the next GBC meetings. -
Yes,I will talk to Parasurama das today and try to address his apparent deviation in leaving Iskcon.
Thank you.
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Also try to define who is the member of Iskcon. It used to be 'only those who live in Iskcon temple or life-members'. We definitely need a photoID system in place, so that deviant, re, under and un-initiated devotees would not sneak in:P and for god's sake get some prasadam.
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It is amazing how much service Parasurma prabhu as a former member performs through so many Ratha Yatras,Glastonbury like preaching festivals,Maha Hari-nams twice a week. Friday evening preaching programs with Maha-feast for all the new guests. Prasadam cooking classes. Regular maha inspiring bhagavatam classes in soho and Manor etc etc etc.
Like Tribhuvanath prabhu he has that special dedication to Srila Prabhupadas movement to always every moment practically performng the Tapasa.
apparent 'members' of Iskcon may not have a scratch on him. Not a scratch!
He puts some of us armchair Internet philosophers to shame! :-(
isn't it?
His breakfasts at the manor r pretty ecstatic also! :-)
jaya Vaisnava-Thakar! -
jaya!!!! but does he have an ISKCON photoID?
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"Iskcon,Fiskcon!" -Avatara extraordinaire HDGAC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.
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Have you all ....ccd and nrsingha seen the nasti video of narayanna maharaja criticizing his divine grace?
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All Glories to Sri Sri Guru and Sri Gauranga! Hare Krsna, what is the situation?
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>Narayana Maharaja made several proposals how to improve the relationship between ISKCON and himself and his followers.
The press release is silent about these proposals, there is no mention of any of these proposals.Is it a top secret or does anyone know what these proposals are which H.H.B.V.Narayana Maharaja has proposed. -
>Narayana Maharaja made several proposals how to improve the relationship between ISKCON and himself and his followers.
Rasa prabhu, imho, answer to your question depends on what these proposals are and whether they will be acceptable to ISKCON devotees. -
The only way there could be a positive relationship between NM and ISKCON is if NM were to suddenly realize who Srila Prabhupada really is--his eternal spiritual master Sri Caitya Guru Prabhupada and fully surrender unto Him.
Highly unlikely since 1. He has great desire for position and fame similar to Srila Prabhupada. 2. He is empowered by maya to cleanse ISKCON of the ungrateful and unfaithful persons, by bringing them to himself.
The most positive relationship that can exist between both parties is folded hands from a great distance, no association at all. -
"The only way there could be a positive relationship between NM and ISKCON is if NM were to suddenly realize who Srila Prabhupada really is--his eternal spiritual master Sri Caitya Guru Prabhupada and fully surrender unto Him."
Nice.
Ys Bk.Nrsingha.
HK!
All Glories to the Ascendency,Prefect Example. -
The only way there could be a positive relationship between NM and ISKCON is if NM were to suddenly realize who Srila Prabhupada really is--his eternal spiritual master Sri Caitya Guru Prabhupada and fully surrender unto Him.maah!:
[br]I always thought Caitya Guru was Lord Paramatama who resides in everyone's heart. What does Caitya Guru Prabhupada mean? Does it mean Prabhupada is Caitya Guru lord paramatama in everyone's heart or something else.[br] -
This reminds me the saga of the early Christians who had to make JC into a 'god' of kinds, and then in just some 300 years as member of trinity. In the same way Swaminaran is 'god', Ramakrisna is an avatara and now Prabhupada is 'Caitya Guru'. Let us see where will we arrive...
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Guru is one! Saksad-Hari! Something like that!
Is ur intent in employing the 'deityfing Srila Prabhupada' card a red-herring like strategy or not?
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The Holy Trinity is already there as introduced perfectly by Mahaprabhu; achintya-bheda-abheda tattva.
That u know already,isn't it?
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CAREFUL OF MUNDANE MINIMALISATION OR MAYAVADA LIKE MAXIMISATION OF THE MAJESTIC ASCENDANCY;VAISNAVA-THAKAR. However one should also not use one as excuse for the other,isn't it!
Prabhupada writes;"When one has attained the topmost position of maha-bhagavata, he is to be accepted as a guru and worshiped exactly like Hari, the Personality of Godhead. Only such a person is eligible to occupy the post of a guru."
Srila Prabhupada is revealing his position as the jagad-guru. Srila Prabhupada distributed the Holy Name (thru his books) all over the world. Krishna is His pure devotee Prabhupada's property to give.This is Vaisnava-Thakar. KNOW IT!!
Caitanya-caritamrta, Antya 7.12:
"…in the Dvapara-yuga one could satisfy Krsna or Visnu only by worshiping opulently according to the pancaratriki system, but in the age of Kali one can satisfy and worship the Supreme Personality of Godhead Hari simply by chanting His holy name." Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura explains that unless one is directly empowered by the causeless mercy of Krsna, one cannot become the spiritual master of the entire world (jagad-guru). One cannot become an acarya simply by mental speculation. The true acarya presents Krsna to everyone by preaching the holy name of the Lord throughout the world. Thus the conditioned souls, purified by chanting the holy name, are liberated from the blazing fire of material existence. In this way, spiritual benefit grows increasingly full, like the waxing moon in the sky. The true acarya, the spiritual master of the entire world, must be considered an incarnation of Krsna's mercy. Indeed, he is personally embracing Krsna. He is therefore the spiritual master of all the varnas (brahmana, ksatriya, vaisya and sudra) and all the asramas (brahmacarya, grhastha, vanaprastha and sannyasa). Since he is understood to be the most advanced devotee, he is called paramahamsa-thakura. Thakura is a title of honor offered to the paramahamsa. Therefore one who acts as an acarya, directly presenting Lord Krsna by spreading His name and fame, is also to be called paramahamsa-thakura." -
Sri Guru is ONE. And He is everyone's guru, eternally. It is He, dwelling in the heart, Who destroys with the shining lamp of knowledge the darkness born of ignorance (BG 10.11) when a sincere soul accepts His external, complete manifestations and worships, serves and hears from Him. He manifests Himself completely, externally in Acaryas like Srila Prabhupada and Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur and others in His Sri Guru Disciplic Succession. They are in chain of succession (not fan of succession as NM claims) but He is the same Person, our eternal spiritual master appearing in different forms of service to Himself and Sri Krishna, which is sometimes described as Guru massaging His own leg. When we speak of Sri Guru it does not mean just any guru. It means the One form He (Sri Caitya Guru) manifests as His own external form, according to time and circumstances, the form He authorizes and accepts. As well as Srila Prabhupada's books being the law-books for the next 10,000 years, by sincere worship of the form of Srila Prabhupada, the Sri Caitya Guru in the heart will accept the service and purify and advance the soul. This does not mean there will not be successive sri gurus, liberated devotees, who will be the mouthpiece to speak the specific heart to heart instructions of Sri Caitya Guru to His neophite disciple, however, they will not accept worship, but instruct to worship the divine form of the Yuga Dharma Hare Krishna Nama Samkirtan Acarya, shaktyavesh avatara form, Srila Prabhupada!! The disciple will understand that the current external form, the form of Srila Prabhupada, the Caitya guru, Sri Guru Nityananda Prabhu and Sri Krishna Himself are simultaneously one and different.
CC Ādi 1.58: Since one cannot visually experience the presence of the Supersoul, He appears before us as a liberated devotee. Such a spiritual master is none other than Kṛṣṇa Himself."
" The soul of the material world is Visnu, or the Supersoul. Devotional service to the Lord entails service to the Supersoul. One process is to find the root of the tree, and the next to water the root". BG 5.4
After training, blessings and liberation, when one is in touch with his eternal spiritual master within..
"But when the mind is conquered, one voluntarily agrees to abide by the dictation of the Personality of Godhead, who is situated within the heart of everyone as Paramatma. Real yoga practice entails meeting the Paramatma within the heart and then following His dictation." BG 6.6
No jiva can be the medium of the service of the Absolute to another jiva. Devotional service is accepted only through Sri Guru Nityananda Prabhu and His Divine Mercy Manifestations.
" Individual souls are under the direction of Nityananda. They receive their service of Sri Gaurasundar, i.e. of Krsna, at his hands. Nityananda is not a jiva. He is Divinity. He is the ultimate source of the jiva. The jiva is a potency of Nityananda. No jiva can be the medium of the service of the Absolute to another jiva. The Absolute alone may communicate His service to the separable constituents of Himself. This is the real nature of the function of the guru.
Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur. This entire article by Prabhupada Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakura is entitled Associates of Sri Caityanya. http://www.srilagourgovindaswami.org/teachings/teaching06.htm -
Maah, can you please answer a few questions,
maah: "by sincere worship of the form of Srila Prabhupada, the Sri Caitya Guru in the heart will accept the service and purify and advance the soul."
What about all other sampradayas who don't worship Srila Prabhupada, how will they make progress? Do they have any chance?
maah: " however, they will not accept worship, but instruct to worship the divine form of the Yuga Dharma Hare Krishna Nama Samkirtan Acarya, shaktyavesh avatara form, Srila Prabhupada!!"
Will it be a part of sanatana dharma now onwards that all the successive gurus of future will not accept worship and only Srila Prabhupada will be worshipped?
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This question
What about all other sampradayas who don't worship Srila Prabhupada, how will they make progress? Do they have any chance?
should really be a separate thread. I do not think it is the issue in this partiucular case, because followers of NM (so I was told by a friend of mind who defected) do have SP's picture on the altar and they do worship him as an acharya etc., -
Now u understand better Acarya-avatara ccd! Jaya! Everything becomes revealed in due course of time.
This is Bhakti-Yoga,u don't have do anything,it is already done for u. Just have to surrender!
Jaya Sri Guru,The Majestic.
Ysvt.
Ps No such thing really as I,me,mine guru. Simply adulteration. Isn't it?
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Guru does not have to even be a devotee....Srila Prabhupada accepted the advice of a Printer,hence he changed his book strategy and printed quality books .Accepting that his guru was instructing him through this sincere helpful person.
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Yes Sri Guru is in every atom.
Also the 11th Canto description of diiferent type of Guru is nice too.
Never give up on Guru!
Actually one can give up all he likes. He will never ever ever ever ever give up on u!
JUST DEPEND ON GURU!
This Is The Perfect Escape!
All Glories To Srila Prabhupada- The Principle And The Person- This Is Vaisnava Thakur- Ascendency Majestic.
NITYANANDA-RAMA BOLA -
The offenseless chanter of the holy name of the Lord is as auspicious as the
Lord Himself, and the movement of pure devotees of the Lord all over the
world can at once change the troublesome face of the world.
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Take a good night sleep Prabhu. We are not jnanis. In bhakti yoga, I me and mine are all used in the service. And it is 'your' guru who will speak up on your behalf to allow you to enter the spiritual world in a proper association. If he does not know you and if his guru does not know him, what sort of parampara is that?
No such thing really as I,me,mine guru. Simply adulteration. Isn't it?Nrsingha:
You can have personal relationship with Prabhupada, but you should act in such a way that he will notice you. Not that you just praise him, it is one of the offences to praise too much. -
Yes exactly no mundane I,me,mine Guru. Very important to realise that,isn't it?
"You can have personal relationship with Prabhupada."
Yes,I am consider myself very,very fortunate to have began to awaken personal relationship with Srila Prabhupada. An ever-increasing Darshan. Ki Jaya!
Yes Sri Guru canvess to Pancha-Tattva on our behalf according to his mercy.
I heard that this can be like Kripa-Sakti.
Ki Jaya!
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All glories to Srila Prabhupada
"What about all other sampradayas who don't worship Srila Prabhupada, how will they make progress? Do they have any chance?"
Certainly everyone gets the results of their surrender in whichever form they put their faith, as the Lord sees everything and responds from within. BG 7:21 "As soon as one desires to worship the demigods, I make his faith steady so that he can devote himself to some particular deity." Any practicing Christian will attest to effect of prayers. But we are immensely fortunate that after lifetimes of trying this and that, getting progress this way and that, we came into contact with Sri Guru in the disciplic succession from Sriman Mahaprabhu. And by the mercy of Them we can attain the highest goal of spiritual existence, and that in this most degraded of ages! Those who worship others get the result of that. Sri Isopanishad Mantra 13 "It is said that one result is obtained by worshiping the supreme cause of all causes and that another result is obtained by worshiping what is not supreme. All this is heard from the undisturbed authorities, who clearly explained it."
"Will it be a part of sanatana dharma now onwards that all the successive gurus of future will not accept worship and only Srila Prabhupada will be worshipped?"
That is how we will know them. We will realize that they know us by heart through dreams, emotions and intelligence given from within. They will instruct us, educate us, help us, suffer for us, pray for us according to our pradhaba karma in specific service to Sri Guru Srila Prabhupada. Our eternal guru will guide us personally through one form and accept worship through another.
"should really be a separate thread. I do not think it is the issue in this partiucular case, because followers of NM (so I was told by a friend of mind who defected) do have SP's picture on the altar and they do worship him as an acharya etc."
They are mislead. The eternal spiritual husband/swami/guru demands chastity. We are all prakriti to His purusha. Imagine a woman having a husband and a lover on the side. She may claim she has both but from the husband's side this is not acceptable. Srila Prabhupada appeared in a dream and was asked what he thought of the devotees who had gone to Sridar Swami. He replied, "They have replaced me." So that is clear, that no matter what they think, He considers that they replaced him, meaning he is not with them. We are the seen, not the seers, we are the beggars and He is the provider, It is not up to us to decide what he will and will not accept. He is the transcendental autocrat. < Look it up. Srila Gour Govinda Swami also confirmed that once Sri Guru has been replaced, (and that so NEEDLESSLY) why would he continue to keep guiding that faithless disciple? In the rare case of Mula Prakriti, due to her reviving her faith in Srila Prabhupada through compiling the early pastimes of Him with various persons in India in her book, Sri Guru gave her visions of only Srila Prabhupada having what she required at the time of her death. She told told NM that she was depending on Srila Prabhupada, not him. Unchaste disciples think Srila Prabhupada is dead and gone. That is their greatest misfortune. Thinking we are more advanced than we are is a cause of falldown. Thinking we don't need Srila Prabhupada's external form to guide us is also a mistake. That occurs with many because we have been hurt and cheated by some so-called gurus. Our real guru wants nothing better for us that that we should meet His authorized external form to go forward. That person will demonstrate perfect surrender to Srila Prabhupada and inspire us beyond any other to do the same. We have to pray for Him to show us who it is. Not decide and then pray to get it, like many of the NM people did, but simply and open-heartedly cry for Him.
"Ps No such thing really as I,me,mine guru. Simply adulteration. Isn't it?"
Actually that is the only real I and Mine. Sriman Mahaprabhu quote" I am spirit soul, eternal servant of Sri Guru and Sri Krishna" and He is mine, i am His. This i am mine must be developed more and more. -
"Guru does not have to even be a devotee....Srila Prabhupada accepted the advice of a Printer,hence he changed his book strategy and printed quality books .Accepting that his guru was instructing him through this sincere helpful person."
"Guru" is the best devotee..
However, it is right that Sri Caitya Guruji will/can use anyone to instruct as He sees fit. Srila Prabhupada is on the level to see like that, we are not. If we artificially try to see like that, we may think we should worship the printer. Or take his advice on every thing. We worship Srila Prabhupada and at some point we will realize Him, who He is in full, then we can see Him acting through anything, even a flower or the wind. Without that realization we can also be mistaken and take NM for Sri Guru or take wrong advice from printer or neglect the Sri Guru's external form--which would be something like knowing Sri Krishna is everywhere and thus avoiding the sri archa vigraha.
"I heard that this can be like Kripa-Sakti"
That's all it is for us fallen kaliyuga people. We cannot do anything. Hare Krishna. All glories to Srila Prabhupada! -
If you are unable to see what is sublime yes you will be confused!However a ''madhum adhikari '' who is cent per cent sincere ....who has discrimination will be unstoppable in his personal vision of how to adjust and please his guru.He is fixed...nistha!
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Unfortunately Narayana maharaja possesed envious sentiments ,which are obvious symptoms of a lesser preacher.....he is not uttama so their'' Rasika -guru'' assertions fail......all because he attacked srila Prabhupada personally.Though his former disciples worship his photo they took re-initiation.....which is offensive .And because Narayanna maharaj initiated them even though their guru,our srilaPrabhupada had not fallen he becomes offensive!....Krishna is not confused or illusioned like there ''dual cheating'' mentalities.
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> Srila Prabhupada appeared in a dream and was asked what he thought of the devotees who had gone to Sridar Swami. He replied, "They have replaced me."
Didn't he instruct GBC to go to Sridhar Swami in case of some misunderstandings. Quote available?
There's a dream-related room conversation, January 28 1977, Bhuvanesvar. -
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An advanced devotee situated on the platform of spontaneity is already very expert in śāstric instruction, logic and argument. When he comes to the point of eternal love for Kṛṣṇa, no one can deviate him from that position, neither by argument nor by śāstric evidence.:
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maah!:
"No jiva can be the medium of the service of the Absolute to another jiva."
Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur. This entire article by Prabhupada Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakura is entitled Associates of Sri Caityanya. http://www.srilagourgovindaswami.org/teachings/teaching06.htm
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[quote]Kula-pavana:maah!:
"No jiva can be the medium of the service of the Absolute to another jiva."
Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur. This entire article by Prabhupada Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakura is entitled Associates of Sri Caityanya. http://www.srilagourgovindaswami.org/teachings/teaching06.htm
That point is completely ignored in Iskcon.[/quote]
How so,prabhu?
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Because in Iskcon Srila Prabhupada (or a current guru) is considered the medium of the service to Krsna.
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Next sentence explains the empowerment: 'The Absolute alone may communicate His service to the separable constituents of Himself. This is the real nature of the function of the guru.'
This caught my attention as well:
'Unless this fact is borne in mind, the conditioned soul may be tempted to undervalue the constant guidance of the guru on the hypocritical plea of following in the footsteps of the eternally free pure devotees.' -
Next sentence explains the empowerment: 'The Absolute alone may communicate His service to the separable constituents of Himself. This is the real nature of the function of the guru.'VEDA:
The real nature of the function of the guru is to explain the role of Sri Guru to his disciples. Akhanda guru tattva - guru is one. In Iskcon 'akhanda guru tattva' means: 'there is only one guru - Prabhupada'. -
Most excellent,Veda Prabhu.
Not sure I am understanding where u r coming from Kula,just yet!
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However though there is one guru,Srila Prabhupada,he is not limited.....his followers have an almost unlimited ability within his instructions to preach.Presently there is thousands of devotees with their ''own mood '',which is symptomatic of what was given to them by their own guru.Srila Prabhupada's own disciples.Hence it is not easily approachable for other devotees not party to there unique''Prabhupada ''desire or preaching mission.For example Chinese yatra......
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So is Narayanna maharaja's mood compatible when it wrongly suggests you need a rasika vaisnava!.......how is this suitable for practical implication within Iskcon utilisation ?.....We have enough ''difference'' within the One guru....There would naturally be a subjugation of srila Prabhupada's moods ...in my humble opinion.
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Because in modern Gaudiya Vaishnavism there is so much emphasis on idividual gurus, and not enough emphasis on Sri Guru, we see so much tension between disciples of various gurus. Actually Narayana Maharaya goes out of his way NOT to contradict or criticize Srila Prabhupada, because he knows the militant mood of so many of his followers and disciples. At times that mood is more of a personality cult than a healthy respect for one's guru.
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Yes,Sri Guru is principle and person. But the principle exists through the person. It is not like the principle stands alone. This is Transcendental Personalism. Isn't it?
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Yes,Sri Guru is principle and person. But the principle exists through the person. It is not like the principle stands alone. This is Transcendental Personalism. Isn't it?Nrsingha:
The principle exists 'through' the person but also 'despite' the person of a particular guru. You can't expect all gurus to be clones of your own ideal teacher. You should study Sri Guru and His Grace. -
"The product of the hladini shakti is love of Godhead, which has two divisions-namely pure love of Godhead and adulterated love of Godhead. Only when the hladini shakti emanates from Sri Krsna and is bestowed upon the living being to attract Him does the living entitiy become a pure lover of God. But when the same hladini shakti is adulterated by the external material energy and emanated from the living being, it does not attract Krsna; on the contrary the living being becomes attracted by the glamour of the material energy. At that time instead of becoming mad with love of Godhead, the living being becomes mad after material sense enjoyment, and because of his association with the qualitative modes of material nature, he is captured by its interactions of distressful feelings." (Caitanya-caritamrita, AdiLila, chapter 4, Verse 68, purport)
Who bestows this shakti? Sri Krishna in the form of Sri Guru. ""No jiva can be the medium of the service of the Absolute to another jiva. The Absolute alone may communicate His service to the separable constituents of Himself." Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur." "Those who have other gurus cannot obtain this energy to attract Sri Krishna; on the contrary the living being becomes attracted by the glamour of the material energy." This is not the purpose of Srila Prabhupada's society.
Though they take and use everything His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada has left for his own faithful followers, they promote their agenda by looting Srila Prabhupada's sublime name and advertising NM's minimal non-servant-based so-called friendship to fool others into their camp. And it didn't stop with Srila Prabhupada. NM even fabricated a story that Srila Gour Govinda Swami had secretly met with him once and honored him highly just to attract Maharaja's faithless followers, too. As Sri Govinda das points out, this behavior is offensive. Srila Gour Govinda Maharaja never met NM and he spoke forcefully several times about not leaving Srila Prabhupada and assured the devotees they would get everything if they just remained true to Srila Prabhupada.
Neophyte devotees, which we all are--those who are not firmly fixed at Srila Prabhupada's Lotus feet, are subject to being mislead into NM's camp, which is why ISKCON has a policy of not allowing NM's followers to mix with us. How many have already been allured, starting with Tamal Krishna? The eventual ramifications of this are that TK's men (now NM's men) are trying to take over Srila Prabhupada's founded temple in Fiji and a struggle is ongoing. Srila Prabhupada wanted to boil the milk, not dilute it with weird bodily, all-one matha conceptions--which none of his so-called Godbrothers proposed until His Divine Grace did everything by himself, created the house in which the whole world can live, with no help from any of them, then 'physically' departed. Those who somehow do remain fixed at Srila Prabhupada's Lotus feet and value the bliss of that single conception above all others, who request Srila Prabhupada's ex-disciples and followers to do the same, are called "offenders" by NM's camp and shunned. The covering of illusion, which is under Sri Krishna's control, does not permit them to see what His Divine Grace mercifully allows us to see--we don't need anyone but Srila Prabhupada; but because the Supreme Absolute Truth is situated in their hearts, seems like this Truth gives them a bad feeling which they don't like, so to conceal this and strike back, they accuse us of the worst spiritual crime possible--"vaisnava aparadha".
So how can there be a positive future? -
Really like ur insighful and learned input Maah prabhu.
Do have Blog? R u situated in UK?
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