Philosophy: [Closed] Radhanatha Swami and Narayana Maharaja?

portnoy:Kula Pavana Prabhu -- did you ever spend any time in New Vrindaban? Just curious .. and by the way -- I'm sorry for anything insulting I said to you on this forum.

Yes, I have spent two days there in the late 1980's. I could not wait to get out of that place. I was invited there by Devamrita swami and got a VIP tour including private 'darshan' with K-swami. I felt sorry for all the sincere devotees stuck there but I kept my mouth shut. One scene in particular stands out in my mind: K-swami standing with his attack dog inches away from the Deities in the temple, complete with jogi-Jesus. I thought: these people are brainwashed out of their friggin minds to accept this phoney baloney 'successor to Prabhupada'... ------------------------ Prabhu, you have not offended me at all. No apologies needed. You are a serious, sincere devotee who tries to preserve the legacy of Srila Prabhupada the best you can. My dandavat pranams to all such souls...

We are not talking of your opinion...manasi seva,your knowledge,why are the gaudiya math guru's reinitiating srila Prabhupada's direct disciples?Especially Narayanna maharaja,he has repeatedly transgressed our Vaisnava etiquettes.Explain this to us why have these guru re-initiated when our ISKCON guru's have not fallen down!...otherwise we must voice natural concerns that it is merely materially motivated...simply motivated by some profit ....some adoration and distinction as it appears from outside.
Manasi -seva is your stance that iskcon guru's are not bonifide,and that these new devotees need to be saved from going to hell by your superior reinitiation...is this your opinion? avaishnavo padishtena
mantrena nirayam vrajet
punas ca vidhina samyag
grahayed vaishnavad guroh

Hari-bhakti-vilasa 4.144 (Also quoted SB. 11.3.48 Purport)

"One who is initiated into a mantra by a non-Vaisnava must go to hell. Therefore he should again be initiated properly, according to the prescribed method, by a Vaisnava guru." Quoted from Hari-bhakti-vilasa 4.144, Bhakti Sandarbha and SB. 11.3.48 Purport.
Although manasi-seva we may take as much bona fide shiksa from where ever, or we may live in whatever Math, yet there is never need for Srila Prabhupada's disciples to be reinitiated...because it is plainly offensive!Therefore it is incorrect for disciples of Srila AC Bhaktivedanta swami Prabhupada to get RE-initiated, and it is an insult by NARAYANNA MAHARAJA and others to re-initiate them.Because Narayanna maharaja is purposefully re-initiating what can the ''common ground be based on'' to preach together?

How about these names manasi-seva....Drista dumya maharaja ..a Srila Prabhupada disciple,Balarama das from Auckland formerly a Maha-vishnu disciple .Narayanna das formerly a Prabhupada disciple....all whose guru's were not fallen! to name a few from our local environment...but i could literally name dozens with some time!So could you please explain their mentality and purpose forsuch behaviour because on my trips to west bengal it seems they simply use it to take control of western neophyte devotees!

http://www.pariprashnena.com/discussion/28/?Focus=102#Comment_102
http://www.pariprashnena.com/discussion/424/

Please accept my genuine and heart felt thanks Veda prabhu,as usual you manifest radharani's shakti by vanquishing her enemies and making it clear as day how to please our previous archarya's.Bless me prabhu so one day also i can be so effective and illuminating with so few words.Hare krishna ....your servant.

I didn't misread anything. My reply was a bit ambiguous (that SP could be superficially called sectarian since he didn't like his disciples going for outside siksa). It was your misunderstanding.
I simply linked to previous related discussions.
You wanted an example, I gave you Jadurani dd. Your comment?
Your comment about wasting money on Mayapur is revealing your mindset and needs no comments.

What I typed was "the huge buildings that it intends to waste its money on in Mayapur" what you quoted was "to waste its money on Mayapur" funny how those quotes have different meanings.

Yes in your second post you quote a name but who is she, what zone is she from, do you really know her or is this a second hand story that you heard about? If you do know her did you ask her why? Was it only her name that was changed or was there an initiation ceremony or both and if so for what reason? It is important to know the individual circumstances of why it happened and exactly what did happen, not just to throw a name up.

If its true I am surprised, but I am not put off by it, as is quoted in the links that you put forth yourself, there are several references in the C.C. where this happened before. When we look into Srila Prabhupada's books especially C.C we can see a deeper range of complex spiritual relationships and issues and how they were dealt with.

In the west we are so used to having one father and one mother but in India and they are used to having so many fathers and mothers and gurus. Iskcon is still struggling with the concept of having a diksha guru and possibly having a different or another shiksha guru. Although they agree with this in principle they often struggle with its application.

Tattva das:

Nama is one item of pancasamskara as per the famous article Pancasamskara by Bhaktivinod Thakur.

If Srila Prabhupada at one time used such nickname, then he changed his mind since he apparently disapproved them later: http://www.harekrsna.org/gbc/themes/Jadurani_REFUTATION_Syamarani.htm

'Bhaktivedanta' was a title, not a diksa name.

VEDA excuse me but where did you learn English on a weeties packet?

"the huge buildings that it intends to waste its money on in Mayapur" vs your quote "to waste its money on Mayapur" has a very different meaning! You cannot see that and you are quoting Shastra? The mere fact that the only difference you see is "huge buildings" proves you either don't read carefully or your level of comprehension is not that good or maybe English is your second language?

It is pointless having a text based discussion with someone who cannot read or comprehend.

Now there is nothing more to be said...

Jadurani was not re-initiated. Syamarani is a nickname Narayana Maharaja calls her. Get your facts straight. Hey - it's real simple and Manasi Seva already mentioned it. Srila Prabhupada told us that even though he may have spoken some criticism about some of his Gaudiya Math godbrothers (and by the way, Narayana Maharaja is not one of Prabhupada's godbrothers -- he is a god-nephew) -- that we should never do like that. In fact, it once got back to Srila Prabhupada that one of his disciples had said something disrespectful about one of his godbrothers and Prabhupada was very very very VERY angry about the incident and personally apologized for the indiscretion of his immature disciple.

Nobody here is suggesting that you read any of Narayana Maharaja's or Sridhara Maharaja's books or accept them as siksa gurus or even agree with anything they do or say --- but rather the warning is being given to not use the internet for spouting indiscriminate offensive rhetoric like little mister sgd seems to feel a burning need to do. If you feel that some of Narayana Maharaja's people are trying to recruit ISKCON personnel -- then that's an issue for your local ISKCON authorities to deal with properly. Besides, you don't know for sure whether they are acting on the order of Narayana Maharaja -- do you? Discretion is the better part of valor. Fools rush in where wise men dare not tread. Silence is golden especially when every time you open your mouth (mister sgd) you pollute the ether.

when i was introduced to my old freind Drystadumya maharaja....Balarama das both had new devotional names!Although manasi-seva we may take as much bona fide shiksa from where ever, or we may live in whatever Math, yet there is never need for Srila Prabhupada's disciples and his servants disciples to be reinitiated...because it is plainly offensive!Therefore it is incorrect for disciples of Srila AC Bhaktivedanta swami Prabhupada to get RE-initiated, and it is an insult by NARAYANNA MAHARAJA and others to re-initiate them.One such case that springs to mind is Jadurani dd who accepted the new re-initiated name Shyamarani dd from Narayanna maharaja..Even though her first guru,srila Prabhupada was not fallen! Because Narayanna maharaja is purposefully re-initiating...and is intent on using it as a vehicle to weedle into the iskcon under- belly of troubled ,neophyte devotees to establish a beach head from which he will become benefited in his search for profit ,adoration and distinction!Otherwise why has he initiated such demoniac behaviour....please explain,why the insulting behaviour?

Sorry Kula- pavanna we are iskconites.....life after life we will follow srila Bhaktivedanta swami Prabhupada and his preaching mission and flavour....not some pretender who attempts to twist our guru's legacy and then trys to usurp his position........Narayana Maharaja Mathura, October 24, 1999: "We can glorify Swamiji, Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja. But those who are falling down, how can they glorify him? They cannot glorify him, never; they are cutting. They are establishing that he was the founder of ISKCON, but I know that he was not founder, he was one of the members of this in guru parampara. It was founded by Krishna, and first acarya was Brahma, then Narada, then Vyasa. Only he has changed the name and he has preached these things in Western countries.. So now all has been revealed...it is out in the open!I was infact right!
Ever since jadurani devi dasi's re-initiation and reincarnation as the anti-iskcon ....shyamarani i was of the opinion that ''a certain rotteness had set in''..... as ''Plato was prone to comment when one is ambitious for ''position!
Now we have the sur-real situation of a direct Prabhupada disciple in the form of jadurani devi dasi submissively,conciously working with the anti-iskcon Narayanna maharaja!Now Narayanna maharaja is no longer the chaste follower of our Srila Prabhupada ....he openly wants his position and his society to boot!...this is further directly declared by himself personally ...... Narayana Maharaja Murwillumbah, Australia: Feb. 18, 2002 (eve): "Your Prabhupada, Srila Swami Maharaja, only changed the name into English. He is not the founder-acarya of that eternal ISKCON… I am ISKCON. I'm not different from ISKCON. I am 'Bhaktivedanta' [Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja]. Like father, like son. I am the real successor of Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja, and there is no other. You should know this very openly. I am Bhaktivedanta and he is Bhaktivedanta, but he received this name after I did. I'm senior to him in this regard… I'm Bhaktivedanta, and I'm also ISKCON. Don't think that I'm out of ISKCON.''....Now i am senior to him in this regard!....so much for our freind.Simply a wolf in sheeps clothing!....wearing a ''Jains mask''!

BY: JADURANI DASI (SYAMARANI DD) ...this was taken from her correspondence :homonyn iskcon...........so has she accepted reinitiation?obviously so!
So why Manasi -seva and Portnoy do you support Narayanna maharaja's stratagey of re-initiation of Prabhupada's disciples......have you Portnoy so little faith even in your guru?Our Srila AC Bhaktiuvedanta swami Prabhupupada was not a gaudiya math person....even he accepted he was an iskcon man birth after birth.
Narayana Maharaja Los Angeles, California - May 31, 2000: "Never. Srila Swami Maharaja has not instructed like this. Has he said that we should go to the atheists' university? ... Has Srila Swami Maharaja told anywhere that you should go to this bad university or that bad university? What will be the result? Narayana Maharaja December 3, 2001 India: "So many of those who claim to be disciples of Prabhupada neither have faith in him nor in nama-bhajana. Rather, they have faith in universities and mayavada professors. Did Prabhupada tell anyone to learn from mayavadi professors? How can we accept them as ISKCON devotees? They have no faith in ISKCON and ISKCON principles."
Such a comment by Narayanna maharaja shows his slipping in and out of reality!He has not come and submitted to the ISKCON GBC.....nor has he been initiated into the ISKCON line!....maybe he has according to your mood manasi-seva and potnoy accepted an iskcon guru......just by accepting another name but has not been properly initiated?Maybe his real name is.......

An extract from Narayanna maharaja....."At the time of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Gosvami Thakura, Srila Sarasvati Thakura was the president of ISKCON. He sent one arm, Srila Prabhupada Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja, who was given sannyasa by Srila Bhakti Prajnana Kesava Gosvami Maharaja, and who then gave ISKCON its English name [Previously it was called by different names, like Gaudiya Vedanta Samiti,* Gaudiya Matha, Visva Vaisnava Raja Sabha, and Krsna-bhakti-rasa bhavitah mati.] Your Prabhupada, Srila Swami Maharaja, only changed the name into English. He is not the founder-acarya of that eternal ISKCON. [Srila Prabhupada sometimes said he was the founder-acarya for two reasons: for management and legal purposes, and also for the faith of his young disciples who would not have understood another presentation at that time.] The founder-acarya is originally Brahma, and it was actually established by Krsna. All of you who are following this disciplic succession are ISKCON. Don't think that you are not. I am ISKCON. I'm not different from ISKCON. I am 'Bhaktivedanta' [Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja]. Like father, like son. I am the real successor of Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja, and there is no other. You should know this very openly...
Actually this is a very unusual look into the future of the ISKCON -gaudiya math relationship by Narayanna maharaja......i wonder wether his godbrothers and other gaudiya math leaders would agree that they were swallowed up by us recently!
Since we are the worldwide preaching movement....what have we to gain except to try and help such a relitively small outfit!
Also since his claim is that he is srila Prabhupada's successor why is it that srila Prabhupada himself did not mention this to us in his last will and testiment!Why did my guru,both whom were extremely close to srila Prabhupada never mention this startling news?Which Tamala krishna Goswami and Bhavananda prabhu failed to do.....in twenty years of closely serving and hearing from them everyday!
Obviously this is another example of an ambitious spiritualist who is overcome by ''the treasures he will be able to'' syphone off'' from our Iskcon society''.The mere contenplation of which has literally sent him over the edge.
Since we are all ISKCON ....does this infact mean that Prabhu-vishnu swami can infact turn up and sell off the gaudiya math temples.......like he can within the South Pacific zone.Obviously not......so what is the meaning of these bizarre and somewhat outlandish and ridiculous suggestions?
What he is hoping to do,in my humble opinion is convince the neophyte ,who is fickle,relatively uninformed and generally not properly situated to jion his small team.The only positive of this ,would be the intelligence levels of both teams might infact rise!
However after such activities have settled they will realise they do not have the shelter of the empowered worldwide society....but simply jioned a local office in comparison without the books and true spiritual heritage and proper preaching mood!
Also our guru is The ''real deal''....Founder Acharya of ISKCON...we do noy have to juggle words to make some pathetic play for his worldwide society!
However they,....Narayanna maharaja and his small team of ex-Prabhupada ...reinitiated disciples, have truly miss read the real situation of Iskcon.In simple language it is'' Business as usual''.We have our problems but they are small and will naturally disappear as this generation of ''Direct Prabhupada Disciples'' pass on!

well portnoy prabhu ...first let me please offer my sincere humble obeisances to the many senior and more sincere devotees of srila PRABHUPADA.But especially yourself and Manasi-seva though in the oppersition ...i am definitely learning and hopefully aspiring to become a better servant of Srila AC Bhaktivedanta swami Prabhupada as a result of your decisive articles and aggressive personal testimony .I am a very unusual devotee in that i AM a residue of the former Iskcon world.Where we really beleived that Iskcon will eventually succeed and save the world from itself in the darkest moment.Daily i am a farther of 5 children,we all work in a very small shop selling sunglasses ,tee shirts and cd's while playing kirtan and talking about krishna everyday...I literally am still doing what i did thirty years ago when i jioned ISKCON!In the morning we have a class and chant Hare Krishna for i hour approximately.My children do not go to school because i want them to have all the choices that only bosses enjoy.Since i am a boss in a small way myself.
Now though i am 49 years of age and am expected to lead the largest maori landclaim and treay of Whaitangi claim for my whanau tribe.Whose name is Te parawhau of taitokerau....north auckland .Most days i travel new Zealand selling New Era baseball caps which i bring in to New Zealand directly from foreign countries....just a sankirtan devotee...at heart.Which i do every day of the year...usually sunglasses with one of my two teenage sons or daughter.However my wonderful wife has asked to have a real home one day on our ancestial land before she passes on to serve srila Prabhupada in what ever planet we go to ,to continue our service,......once again please accept my humble obeisances and sincere good wishes.....even though we might be adverseries....for a while further!....hare krishna ...your servant!...Ps in my culture we would fight to death during the day and party at night as freinds.....till next days battles like in mahabarata!...So i am actually becoming transcendental as a result of your aggressive dialogue.

Did you ever see the movie "Once Were Warriors?" That's one of the most powerful movies I have ever seen. In fact -- I heard that in many residential drug and alcohol rehabs it's required viewing. Quite frankly, what little I know of modern day New Zealand is from that movie. Also many years ago I engaged in an ongoing correspondence with a very nice girl who moved form Spain to Dunedin. She was very attracted to Krishna consciousness and had begun reading Srila Prabhupada's books and chanting before she ever met a devotee or walked into a temple.

Speaking of temples. In 1970 Srila Prabhupada awarded sannyas to four of his disciples. Aside from Kirtanananda they were the very first sannyasis in the movement. Anyway - after a few months went by all four of them were sent away on Srila Prabhupada's order due to disobedience and misrepresenting the teachings of His Divine Grace. Some time passed and gradually all four prodigal sons did return to Prabhupada's ISKCON family. One of them -- Brahmananda Swami -- had begun preaching, chanting and distributing books in a park in Coconut Grove, Florida -- near Miami Beach. He wrote to Srila Prabhupada and described how he was going every day to that park much like Srila Prabhupada did in Thompkins Square Park in New York when he first began his mission in America. Srila Prabhupada replied to his letter saying, "I am very happy to hear that you have established a temple there in Miami. He further explained that stones, marble, buildings ... were not the essence of what constitutes a temple since temple really means preaching center. Since Brahmananda was preaching and chanting, distributing books and even some prasadam ---- Srila Prabhupada considered that to a bona fide temple.

There are many centers and temples throughout the world and not all of them are listed in Back To Godhead magazine. This was Srila Prabhupada's idea -- that eventually householders branch out into the world -- into communities and towns all over -- and make Krishna the center of their lives as they raise their children, work at their jobs and live their lives. His vision was all inclusive and universal. ISKCON, in the final analysis, is a living concept, a way of life and wherever there are aspiring Vaisnavas who are following the instructions and teachings of Srila Prabhupada and spreading the message to others --- that is ISKCON. In this regard also I don't think Narayana Maharaja was being disrespectful or offensive to Srila Prabhupada. He was simply pointing out that fallacy of thinking on a kanishta sectarian platform and not perceiving the fact that Prabhupada's ISKCON is a branch of the Gaudiya Vaisnava Sampradaya. But it's irrelevant. I don't think it's to anyone's benefit to split hairs and analyze everything Narayana Maharaja does or says in order to engage in some debate about whether he's pure or not pure, envious, ambitious ... this or that .... these things are not for us to dwell on.

One last comment if I may. Bickering, battling, back-biting, barking at each other is all sense gratification and mental speculation. It's to no avail. I am guilty of it and I know that it is foolish endeavor and gets us nowhere. Moreover -- imagine the person who comes upon this website to learn about Krishna consciousness. Whew!!! I'm almost wondering if maybe certain topics should be limited to only registered account holders??? Gaudiya Discussions and it's step-child Gaudiya Repercussions utilize that concept (and by the way -- I found both of those websites to be very repulsive).

Portnoy, I just visited the Gaudia Discussions website,

http://www.gaudiyadiscussions.com/

I think its an awesome website, what did you find so replusive about it? I haven't checked out the threads yet...maybe thats where the hairy stuff is. It seems to be a bit of a free for all including some stuff in there re: the Siddha Pranali group which I don't discount. But thats what you get with the online digital age its all there right in front of you.

In the dark days of Iskcon they hid everything, when I first went to India, Mayapur & Vrindaban in 1981. The Iskconites were so much into control when we visited Bhaktisiddanta's ashram they physically stood in-front of us stopping us from looking at his books. We could visit the temple but no bookies lookies! Which did not work, it created more of a mystery.

One more time sonny boy. The name Syamarani is a nickname that Narayana Maharaja calls her and out of her love and respect for her siksa guru she goes by both names. She was never never never never (you do know the meaning of the word never?) NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER ... NOT EVER NOT EVER NOT EVER .... DIDN"T HAPPEN, NEVER HAPPENED, NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO ... NEVER REINITIATED!!!!!!!

Learn how to read and listen you fucking idiot!!!!!

I don't know why I even waste my time because you are such a fucking fucking fucking ignoramus with shit for brains .... She was never re-initiated so shut the fuck up you fucking fucking idiot. God damn you. What is your major malfunction? You are a fucking retard. A retard. You are retarded. Go get some help. I am sixty four years old and in all my years and travels and all the thousands and thousands of people I have met and known you are the biggest fucking idiot I have ever come across. Congratulations! You win the prize! No more. I will not respond to you anymore. My blood pressure can't handle it. You don't listen. You don't learn. You are stuck on STUPID. Fucking stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks Portnoy for the nice explanation.

SGD, What is so obvious is that you do not read, comprehend or know how to use a forum environment, and it appears that you never read the thread from last point of where you posted. It seems any words of praise we spoke to you and respect of your Maori culture completely fell on deaf ears, and in return you ask people to submit to the train wreck that is Iskcon and vile creatures like Mr Charles Bacis.

You need to understand SGD the links you are reading here: http://www.harekrsna.org/gbc/themes/Jadurani_REFUTATION_Syamarani.htm

Stated the following "[PADA: FOUNDER ACHARYA. First of all, notice the immediate disrespect to Srila Prabhupada. He gave "Jadurani" that name, and now she has been in essence "re-initiated" by Narayana Maharaja with a new name -- "Shyamarani."

But in Syamarani dd's own words found here: http://www.vnn.org/world/WD0006/WD25-6049.html

Is the following statement:

"My first question to Syamarani dd after her lecture, was, "did you get reinitiated ? ", to which she "strongly" replied that, "no, it is a great offense to take reinitiation".."My new name is like an affectionate nickname"."

Which is exactly what Portnoy said!

SGD this totally refutes both of what you and VEDA have offered up on this subject. Both of you are completely un-informed on this subject, neither of you do much in the way of investigation to get to the facts. Yet both of you stroke each others egos and pretend that you are some sort of authorities here.

Its sad to see that what was once a glorious Iskcon when Srila Prabhupada was here has sunk to such lows that it swamps its followers in so much mis-information and they happily swallow it all without question.

http://www.bhaktiart.net/?page=index&action=read&news_id=5&from=page=index.....this shows the re-nitiation process is alive and offensively well within the Narayanna maharaja camp as he attempts to steal Srila Prabhupada's devotees by this OFFENSIVE.....preaching strategy!
[Her spiritual master is His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, the founder-acarya of ISKCON, and world-famous preacher of Krsna Consciousness and Vedic culture, and the saintly spiritual master of millions of spiritual seekers. Soon after meeting him, she was initiated and given the name Jadurani dasi. (Later on, in 1992, he inspired his spiritual successor, Srila Narayana Maharaja, to give her the additional spiritual name of Syamarani dasi, and she became one of his first few disciples.)]...this was taken from Jadurani devi dasi......now Syamarani devi dasi .... her artists site above..Such cheaters ! Sri Portnoy and Manasi-seva are just cheaters .......How does it feel to be revealed before the international Vaishnava community as simply cheaters!

That's it -- as long as this guy continues posting here I've got to go .. and I would advise everyone else to also leave. Do you really want to be associated with this idiot? If you aren't embarrassed by the thought of an inquisitive seeker coming here for information and reading the crap this guy writes - as am I - then something's wrong. A few of us have tried to shut him up and slap him down but he's like one of those bozo punching bags that just keeps on popping back up with a stupid frozen smile on his painted face. This could be a serious and useful website but as long as a moron like him insists on taking over every meaningful thread -- contributing the most in quantity and the least in quality -- this place will remain a sewer of misinformation and misrepresentation. Somebody needs to take the responsibility. I don't know who runs this thing but you really ought to rethink your purpose.

All glories to Srila Prabhupada!
Hare Krishna.

Thank you Sri Govinda for posting those shocking, unbelievably deluded quotes of NM! Like their guru, those who follow NM give lip-service to the glories of Srila Prabhupada, but we should not be fooled. They have their own opinion about the usefulness of what they are doing but because their opinion countradicts the instructions of the Acarya, it is useless.

Anyone who loves Srila Prabhupada or what he has given to us and reads those shocking quotes will clearly understand what NM's actual position is. Nobody has to expose him, he exposes himself. Those who think Srila Prabhupada is 'dead and gone', 'out of sight-out of mind', who are faithless and ungrateful, who do not understand our philosophy of absolute surrender and eternal service are the unfortunate ones, and NM is similarly unfortunate for having 'acquired' such persons. Really, it is a blessing for our movement that NM attracts those kind of persons out of our lives so we can focus fully on absolute surrender at the lotus feet of Sri Guru and Sri Gauranga.

Srila Prabhupada told us, "Don't be surprised at who goes, be surprised at who stays."

The Sri Guru Acarya's instruction: So it is better not to mix with my Godbrothers very intimately because instead of inspiring our students and disciples they may sometimes pollute them. This attempt was made previously by them, especially Madhava Maharaja and Tirtha Maharaja and Bon Maharaja but somehow or other I saved the situation. This is going on. We shall be very careful about them and not mix with them. This is my instruction to you all. They cannot help us in our movement, but they are very competent to harm our natural progress. So we must be very careful about them.” Srila Prabhupada.

The Sri Guru Acarya's vision and encouragement: "Their policy has been all along to suppress me and take credit for himself. Their proposal for cooperation is a myth. They haven’t done anything which is cooperative. You know in a recent article they managed to write in such a way that Madhava is doing the world movement and we are his subordinate. From the beginning that has been their mentality. So there is no possibility of cooperation with them. Rather you should avoid strictly meeting with them. They are not after preaching but material gain and reputation and adoration. Otherwise why they are non cooperating with me? So no cooperation is possible. Do not think or indulge in loose talks. Be careful always. Let us do the duty of propagation sincerely and seriously on our own principles. Krsna and Srila Prabhupada Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura are our only hope and they and helping us." Srila Prabhupada.

The Sri Guru Acarya's deliberation: "The order of the spiritual master is the active principle in spiritual life. Anyone who disobeys the order of the spiritual master immediately becomes useless. Persons who strictly follow the orders of the spiritual master are useful in executing the will of the Supreme, whereas persons who deviate from the strict order of the spiritual master are useless.
Paddy is mixed with straw at first, and one must fan it to separate the paddy from the straw. This example given by Krsnadasa Kaviraja Gosvami is very appropriate. In the case of the Gaudiya Matha members, one can apply a similar process. There are many disciples of Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura, but to judge who is actually his disciple, to divide the useful from the useless, one must measure the activities of such disciples in executing the will of the spiritual master." Srila Prabhupada
Hare Krishna.