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Philosophy: Can a Kanistha Guru bestow Diksa?

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    >Can a Kanistha Guru bestow Diksa?

    There is no such thing as Kanistha Guru. This term "Kanistha Guru" is modern concoction. In vedic terms, Guru means Sadguru. There are no terms like Kanistha Guru or Pagal Guru.
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      CommentAuthorccd
    • CommentTimeNov 25th 2009
     
    However even if one is not even kanistha, if say someone experiencing a reflection of true devotion, according to Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti this Prati Bimba devotion is so powerful that it is enough to bestow moksa on one without one’s undergoing the hard penances of sense control. What to speak of pure devotees that according to Prabhupada are of three classes - kanistha, madhyama and uttama?
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    sri_govinda_das:...but how about the diksa guru of Srila Bhaktivinoda takura.Vipina bihari goswami......whom srila Bhaktisiddanta verbally attacked at his farthers initiation ....referring to him as a possible fool.Refusing to accept his natural status within our line......He was a caste Brahmana.....An accepted archarya within the descendents of the householder devotees of the Panca tattva.....But according to his offensive behaviour towards Raghunatha das goswami.....a kanistha...because he found fault with his birth in a non-brahmana family.
    Bhaktivinoda Thakura had a totally different vision of Bipina Bihari. He saw his guru to be an eternally liberated manjari. He immortalized that vision in his poetry. This is the vision that counts for me. ------------------------ I got diksa from a kanistha guru. So what? I have not been slowed down by that - only by my own anarthas. ----------- The Gayatri is Krsna Himself and He is all powerfull.
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      CommentAuthorccd
    • CommentTimeNov 26th 2009 edited
     
    dave:sakti-avesa
    Gaurasakti svarupaya? => BVT (If you try to measure everyone to BVT - good luck!)
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      CommentAuthorccd
    • CommentTimeNov 26th 2009
     
    He whose only teaching is humility greater than that of a blade of grass, said—“By My command being guru save this land!” In this instance Mahäprabhu Himself has given the command. His command being “Perform the duty of the guru, even as I do it Myself. Also convey this command to whom-so-ever you chance to meet.” Caitanyadeva says, “Tell them these very words, viz. By My command being Guru save this land. Deliver the people from their foolishness.” Now who-so-ever happens to hear these words would naturally protest with palms joined—“But I am really a great sinner; how can I be Guru? You are Godhead Himself, the Teacher of the world. You can be Guru.” To this Mahäprabhu replies:

    “In this thou will not be obstructed
    by the current of the world;
    Thou wilt have My company once again
    at this place.”
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      CommentAuthorccd
    • CommentTimeNov 26th 2009
     
    “Do not practice the craft of a guru for the purpose of injuring others through malice. Do not adopt the trade of a guru in order to get immersed in the slough of this world. But if you can, indeed, be My guileless servant you will be endowed with My power—then you need not fear.”

    I have no fear. My gurudeva has heard this from his gurudeva. And it is for this reason that my gurudeva has accepted even such a great sinner as myself and has told me: “By My command being guru save this land.” It is only those who have never heard these words of Gaursundara who say “How odd! To listen to one’s own praise!”
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      CommentAuthorccd
    • CommentTimeNov 27th 2009 edited
     
    dave:-BSST.
    Still no quote - who is ur translator?
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      CommentAuthorccd
    • CommentTimeNov 27th 2009 edited
     
    Of course there is also no reason for a kanstha not to be a sakti-avesa. But general requirement is for a diksa guru to be empowered and to be an uttama with the following characteristics: SAstra-yuktye sunipuNa, dRDhaSraddhA yAìra - that is the requirement. There are many devotees who are like that.
    • CommentAuthorKula-pavana
    • CommentTimeNov 27th 2009 edited
     
    sri_govinda_das:Yes but this Viphina bihari gosawmi publically rejected ''srila Bhaktivinoda Tahkura '',because of his own materialistic conceptions and inability to see his disciples ''Uttama -Adhikara '' status in 1919 just before he passed on.Primarily because of his personal opinion,that the birth place of sri Chaitanya mahaprabhu was in the wrong location.
    Bipina Bihari rejected Bhaktivinoda only when he found out that Bhaktivinoda supposedly faked some sanskrit texts and presented them to the Vaishnavas as ancient scriptures proving his location of the Yoga-pitha. Up to that point BB was extremely fond of his disciple and considered him greatly advanced. The very title Bhaktivinoda was awarded to him thanks to BB efforts.

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